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Old 14-08-2017, 11:21 AM
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Keep for a reliable rb once this farce is over
Fosu Mensah would play RB in a back 4 with both Tomkins and Kelly being able to cover if needs be. Ward is done in a Palace shirt and has been for a couple of years.
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Old 14-08-2017, 12:29 PM
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Time to sell I think.
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Old 14-08-2017, 12:41 PM
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Thought he wasn't very good last year and looked woeful on Saturday arguably to blame for two goals.

Personally would sell
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Old 14-08-2017, 12:45 PM
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should have sold him a couple of years ago tbh
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Old 14-08-2017, 01:02 PM
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should have sold him a couple of years ago tbh
Get more now though, might even get up to 3 or 4 million.
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Old 14-08-2017, 01:26 PM
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No he's not though. We didn't have an organised back four under pardew. Last season especially ward had no chance.

Pre sam he was at times left back but we'll forget that as it's irrelevant here.

Then he Had Kelly left back. Kelly got destroyed time after time, the lcb moved over to cover pulling the rcb over and ward into rcb position. He was always getting dragged out of position. Even when it wasn't Kelly getting done the defence was chaos, utterly disorganised and all of the players looked awful and everyone of them was firefighting as they got undone.

When Sam came in he went back to basics at the back, bought in a decent left back(s) and Sakho. The defence became excellent. Ward was part of that. Not carried as the weak link, he was solid. He knew where his teammates were and was part of a solid unit and usually able to stay in position. It was the same under pulis.

As part of a well organised defence ward is solid, he's not the weak link. To improve ward you don't need to replace him, you need to give him a decent defence to be part of! Pulis knows this and that's why he'll be after him and sam knew this. Both of those had us defending superbly. With ward excellent

It's no coincidence that when we've had managers that organise the defence properly people start talking about ward and England. When we lack that he's the scape goat.

Now he's playing wing back. He IS NOT A ******* WING BACK!! Don't judge him being played out of position but don't hound him out either. This three at the back looks a huge mistake right now and we'll need a solid rb. We have one!
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Old 14-08-2017, 02:06 PM
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Huge difference playing WB and Full back he is not equipped to play WB but could possibly play the Right position in a back 3 been a great servant to the club deserves far more respect
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Old 14-08-2017, 02:09 PM
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The best thing to do is keep Ward and ditch the 3 at the back idiocy.
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No he's not though. We didn't have an organised back four under pardew. Last season especially ward had no chance.

Pre sam he was at times left back but we'll forget that as it's irrelevant here.

Then he Had Kelly left back. Kelly got destroyed time after time, the lcb moved over to cover pulling the rcb over and ward into rcb position. He was always getting dragged out of position. Even when it wasn't Kelly getting done the defence was chaos, utterly disorganised and all of the players looked awful and everyone of them was firefighting as they got undone.

When Sam came in he went back to basics at the back, bought in a decent left back(s) and Sakho. The defence became excellent. Ward was part of that. Not carried as the weak link, he was solid. He knew where his teammates were and was part of a solid unit and usually able to stay in position. It was the same under pulis.

As part of a well organised defence ward is solid, he's not the weak link. To improve ward you don't need to replace him, you need to give him a decent defence to be part of! Pulis knows this and that's why he'll be after him and sam knew this. Both of those had us defending superbly. With ward excellent

It's no coincidence that when we've had managers that organise the defence properly people start talking about ward and England. When we lack that he's the scape goat.

Now he's playing wing back. He IS NOT A ******* WING BACK!! Don't judge him being played out of position but don't hound him out either. This three at the back looks a huge mistake right now and we'll need a solid rb. We have one!
He's lost pace and any use going forward, his crossing is poor and he gets rinsed by wingers too easily.
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Old 14-08-2017, 02:20 PM
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He's lost pace and any use going forward, his crossing is poor and he gets rinsed by wingers too easily.
His crossing is a mixed bag and he's limited going forward.

He's excellent defensively in rb position when he's got decent players with him. He's also superb at reading the game and covering when others get caught out.

Defensively as part of a solid unit he's everything we need. Going forward, I agree he's limited but not as bad as people make out. That's got momentum now and the bbs is a near immovable force once it gets going.

To get a player at right back as good defensively as ward and better attacking will cost a fortune. That's why full backs are 50m now and we couldn't afford ward if he was good going forward. We could get better but we'll be worse at the back and a solid back four is essential to us (once we go back to it). Look at the shit soure used to get, all the bbs moaned about when he was the boo boy was that he might be ok going forward but was a liability at the back, defending is more important etc etc.. ward is just that and now he's wrong for the opposite reason.

I'm not saying he's perfect but for the money it would take to upgrade wardy we could sign a lot of players we really really need. A keeper, cb and striker are way way more important and upgrading ward will not be cheap. He just needs a decent defence to be part of
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If true, perhaps it solves an issue. If he doesn't want to play or thinks that he's poorly paid, get somebody else in. Not convinced he has a lot to bargain with.
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