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Old 16-07-2016, 08:23 PM
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We import $100billion from Germany our top trading partner. We export less than half of that to them ($46.5billion). We are joint 2nd behind the USA with France.

We import $41.5 billion from france and export $27Billion.

We import $50.7 billion from Holland and export $34.2

We have a positive trade balance with the USA and Switzerland. Neither of whom are in the EU

Our second highest import partner is china. At $62.7 billion.

56% of our exports are to non EU countries which has increased from 45% in 2000. This rate is steadily increasing.

If anyone thinks that the EU nations are going to stamp their feet over negotiations when they would effectively be shooting themselves in the foot at a time when they need an increase in funds, then they are mad.

Can you honestly see Germany saying we are not going to sell you $100b of goods to you because you wont agree to freedom of movement!!! It would be madness. Especially as a high percentage of our exports are services not product.

They may make some initial noises, as they are at the moment, but in the end they will agree to watered down movement such as inter company and business needs movement. Where requests are submitted under a preapproved system.

e.g. My company (Siemens) completes a pre registration entitling them to free movement of workers inter company.

You are missing the bigger picture.
Yes, German motor manufactures are likely to be concerned by measures which restrict sales. But for years they have referred to the UK as 'Treasure Island' and are are likely to adjust profits to maintain volume. The key thing on Germany's agenda is the maintenance of their economic ascendecy in Europe and their political supremacy which flows from that. Key to this is maintaining the credibility of the Euro. Without the Euro making their exports internationally affordable, they have huge problems. Compared to this, the issue of selling cars and washing machines to the UK is a side show. The Brexiters talk about turning UK away from Europe and towards the world. The Germans have been doing this for years. They have been the dominant economic force in Europe for decades but at the same time have left us for dead in trading with markets such as China. Their EU membership has not impeded them. The idea that they would place a global market above that of the UK is nuts.
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Old 16-07-2016, 08:28 PM
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God how dare people be optimistic rather than carry on having a stroppy sulk because they lost wishing doom and gloom on everyone because that's what the experts said was going to happen when being brainwashed.

Maybe next week or the month after ,next year ?

Emergency budgets, pound crashing ,no one will trade with us...World war three ?

It's not actually happening as said, is it ?

Maybe the thicko's/ idiots who voted leave understood that big business is all about greed and will do anything to keep trading making money whatever the situation.
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Old 16-07-2016, 08:31 PM
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Plenty of Toyota's get manufactured in this country. I am sure there are other cars made here too.
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Old 16-07-2016, 09:06 PM
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You are missing the bigger picture.
Yes, German motor manufactures are likely to be concerned by measures which restrict sales. But for years they have referred to the UK as 'Treasure Island' and are are likely to adjust profits to maintain volume. The key thing on Germany's agenda is the maintenance of their economic ascendecy in Europe and their political supremacy which flows from that. Key to this is maintaining the credibility of the Euro. Without the Euro making their exports internationally affordable, they have huge problems. Compared to this, the issue of selling cars and washing machines to the UK is a side show. The Brexiters talk about turning UK away from Europe and towards the world. The Germans have been doing this for years. They have been the dominant economic force in Europe for decades but at the same time have left us for dead in trading with markets such as China. Their EU membership has not impeded them. The idea that they would place a global market above that of the UK is nuts.

I never said that Germany would place us ahead of the world. I said that the volume involved is not to be sniffed at. You say that the Germans want to maintain the euro. Well losing our export market would put a big dent in that. And the implication that its just 'cars and washing machines' is simplistic in the extreme. The UK exports services Germany exports product. $100billion is a lot of product.

The UK is and will remain an import country with regard to product as our manufacturing base has been erased, other than specialist products. There are not many places like the UK around. 'Treasure island' is a good analogy. Why would anyone not want to be a part of that.

German companies, such as my own, are already lobbying the German government to 'reach an amicable deal with the UK'.

Finally, do the USA or canada or china have to have 'EU freedom of movement' to trade with the EU? No, so to say its impossible for us is not accurate.
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Old 16-07-2016, 09:12 PM
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Well of course you do. It's your BBS modus operandi.

That article was pre-referendum when Project Fear and (in your case) Sneer was in full swing - and, of course, refers to a worst-case scenario according to an economist.
Project fear was the out campaign. Fear of foreigners. And it worked.
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Old 16-07-2016, 09:21 PM
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Old 16-07-2016, 09:36 PM
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I never said that Germany would place us ahead of the world. I said that the volume involved is not to be sniffed at. You say that the Germans want to maintain the euro. Well losing our export market would put a big dent in that. And the implication that its just 'cars and washing machines' is simplistic in the extreme. The UK exports services Germany exports product. $100billion is a lot of product.

The UK is and will remain an import country with regard to product as our manufacturing base has been erased, other than specialist products. There are not many places like the UK around. 'Treasure island' is a good analogy. Why would anyone not want to be a part of that.

German companies, such as my own, are already lobbying the German government to 'reach an amicable deal with the UK'.

Finally, do the USA or canada or china have to have 'EU freedom of movement' to trade with the EU? No, so to say its impossible for us is not accurate.
All of which is based on the assumption that regardless of the upheaval and uncertainty of Brexit, we will still continue to have the ability to purchase German goods in the quantaties we have been doing. I salute your optimism.
I'm sorry but your last point is nonsense. The USA has a huge indigenous labour resource, to say nothing of the flow of Labour from South America. China's manufacturing succes is due in no small part to the millions (mainly young men) who have moved from rural areas to industrial centres. They don't need freedom of Labour movement from ouside their borders. We on the other hand have a ageing population, a diminishing tax base, skills shortages we have been unable to address for years and yet a prime 'dog whistle' component of the leave camapign has been to argue Johny Foreigner is dragging us down.
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Old 16-07-2016, 10:28 PM
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God how dare people be optimistic rather than carry on having a stroppy sulk because they lost wishing doom and gloom on everyone because that's what the experts said was going to happen when being brainwashed.

Maybe next week or the month after ,next year ?

Emergency budgets, pound crashing ,no one will trade with us...World war three ?

It's not actually happening as said, is it ?

Maybe the thicko's/ idiots who voted leave understood that big business is all about greed and will do anything to keep trading making money whatever the situation.

Just think it's too early to assess what the full impact will be after 3 weeks in. Nothing has happened yet to start the process. Something somewhere has to give regarding trade for one and whatever point that occurs will have major implications across the board. Not sure how many voted to leave for those reasons you've outlined. Quite a few used it as a protest against how shit their lives had become over the past few years.
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We import $100billion from Germany our top trading partner. We export less than half of that to them ($46.5billion). We are joint 2nd behind the USA with France.

We import $41.5 billion from france and export $27Billion.

We import $50.7 billion from Holland and export $34.2

We have a positive trade balance with the USA and Switzerland. Neither of whom are in the EU

Our second highest import partner is china. At $62.7 billion.

56% of our exports are to non EU countries which has increased from 45% in 2000. This rate is steadily increasing.

If anyone thinks that the EU nations are going to stamp their feet over negotiations when they would effectively be shooting themselves in the foot at a time when they need an increase in funds, then they are mad.

Can you honestly see Germany saying we are not going to sell you $100b of goods to you because you wont agree to freedom of movement!!! It would be madness. Especially as a high percentage of our exports are services not product.

They may make some initial noises, as they are at the moment, but in the end they will agree to watered down movement such as inter company and business needs movement. Where requests are submitted under a preapproved system.

e.g. My company (Siemens) completes a pre registration entitling them to free movement of workers inter company.
All that is well and good but absolute numbers tell you little about the value of trade. I could make a product worth £100 and sell 1 to you while you make a product worth £10 and sell 1 to me but if I only sell 100 of mine in total while you sell 1 million then losing your custom is a bigger blow to me than you losing mine.

And what we sell to individual EU countries is meaningless as we won't be negotiating with them individually, and Germany can't outvote the rest.

And what we export to non-EU countries is largely dependent on what they trade to us in return and that is largely dependent on what we can offer to them being in the EU especially where we use their components in stuff we sell on.

But in the end, EU trade is worth 13% of our GDP, so we need that trade first and foremost. To continue that trade we need a deal with access to the single market.
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I wanted to remain in the EU but the majority of those who voted want to leave. So unless something happens to justify a change that will happen. The endless talking down of Britain by the middle classes angry at Brexit is starting to get nauseating. Yes we are in for a difficult patch caused by uncertainty, which in turn is caused by the one sided exit process put in place as part of the EU rules. However, this country is not a basket case and there will be new opportunities once we get through the initial problems. Unfortunately the remain camp probably see talking Britain down and into a recession as one of their best opportunities to get the vote of the little people overturned.
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I wanted to remain in the EU but the majority of those who voted want to leave. So unless something happens to justify a change that will happen. The endless talking down of Britain by the middle classes angry at Brexit is starting to get nauseating. Yes we are in for a difficult patch caused by uncertainty, which in turn is caused by the one sided exit process put in place as part of the EU rules. However, this country is not a basket case and there will be new opportunities once we get through the initial problems. Unfortunately the remain camp probably see talking Britain down and into a recession as one of their best opportunities to get the vote of the little people overturned.
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Sorry to upset the remain doomsters but life goes on for the rest of us after brexit it seems .

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Australia has called for a free trade deal with Britain following its exit from the European Union.

Theresa May described the move as "very encouraging" and insisted it showed Brexit can work for Britain.

In a phone call to the new PM, her Australian counterpart Malcolm Turnbull said he urgently wanted to open up trading between the two countries.

Liam Fox, the new international trade secretary, said he was already "scoping about a dozen free trade deals".

But Britain cannot sign any deals while it is still an EU member.

Mrs May said: "I have been very clear that this government will make a success of our exit from the European Union.

"One of the ways we will do this is by embracing the opportunities to strike free trade deals with our partners across the globe. It is very encouraging that one of our closest international partners is already seeking to establish just such a deal .


Seems like the US are interested as well despite what Obama said pre-brexit lol


Dr Fox, a prominent Brexit campaigner, said numerous non-EU countries had already asked Britain for a trade deal and he was "scoping about a dozen... to be ready for when we leave".

It comes amid reports he is preparing to fly to the United States next week for talks.

In April, President Barack Obama warned the UK it would go to the "back of the queue" for trade deals with the US if it voted to leave the EU.

Following the referendum, he said the UK's decision to leave raised "longer-term concerns about global growth".

Mr Fox told the Sunday Times: "We've already had a number of countries saying, 'We'd love to do a trade deal with the world's fifth biggest economy without having to deal with the other 27 members of the EU.'"

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Australia has called for a free trade deal with Britain following its exit from the European Union.

Theresa May described the move as "very encouraging" and insisted it showed Brexit can work for Britain.

In a phone call to the new PM, her Australian counterpart Malcolm Turnbull said he urgently wanted to open up trading between the two countries.

Liam Fox, the new international trade secretary, said he was already "scoping about a dozen free trade deals".

But Britain cannot sign any deals while it is still an EU member.




Mrs May said: "I have been very clear that this government will make a success of our exit from the European Union.

"One of the ways we will do this is by embracing the opportunities to strike free trade deals with our partners across the globe. It is very encouraging that one of our closest international partners is already seeking to establish just such a deal
Of course Australia wants a deal, they want to sell us stuff. From memory, before we joined the EU, we imported more from them than we exported to them. Transport costs to Oz are phenomenally high for the obvious reason and we are at a huge disadvantage against their Asian neighbours who have cheap labour, and on their own doorstep.
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God how dare people be optimistic rather than carry on having a stroppy sulk because they lost wishing doom and gloom on everyone because that's what the experts said was going to happen when being brainwashed.

Maybe next week or the month after ,next year ?

Emergency budgets, pound crashing ,no one will trade with us...World war three ?

It's not actually happening as said, is it ?

Maybe the thicko's/ idiots who voted leave understood that big business is all about greed and will do anything to keep trading making money whatever the situation.

Sorry Les at the moment I am dealing with the fall out from the vote - chains collapsing all over the place, People withdrawing from the market no real direction. The local estate agents most of whom voted out are were initially in denial about the situation but are beginning to get very worried as well.

From a personal point we had recently taken on more staff. If this goes on for much longer I am going to have to make someone redundant and offer someone else reduced hours in order to keep their job. Forgive me for not being a little ray of sunshine. And yes if one more of those thickos/idiots who voted out try and convince me everything is wonderful and nothing has changed I may well snap at them because they are wrong. Forget Project fear - I'm trying to manage project reality and its a fecking mess atm.
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Project fear was the out campaign. Fear of foreigners. And it worked.
Project fear was the the remain campaign - fear of losing all trading partners, fear all these evil people that want to leave the uk, fear your lack of education "we know better duck" it didn't work it pissed people off the fear and arrogance of the remain campaign is the reason the leave campaign won nothing else .
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The EU has further troubles. They don't want a public sector bailout of Italy's banks. Instead they want bond holders to share the pain but Italian households have over 230bn euros at risk (14.6% of their wealth). They are also demanding 10bn euros of cuts in Spain and likely to fine the Spanish 1.1bn euros for missing the deficit target. Nice to see there is sympathy from the EU for a country with high youth unemployment. The EU really has to start being more flexible. I still think if they'd been a little more understanding of the plight of lower paid workers in marginal employment in Britain affected by free movement and not protected by employment barriers to entry we would have voted to remain.
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