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Old 11-03-2018, 01:27 PM
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:28 PM
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No surprise his pressing was much better once Zaha was on the pitch.

When Benteke is on the pitch it seems the whole team doesn't bother pressing as they know he isn't willing/can't run.
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:38 PM
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Amazed that the manager has persisted with him for so long. Match after match he has simply not been good enough and the manager has just refused to see it or do anything about it.
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:40 PM
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No surprise his pressing was much better once Zaha was on the pitch.

When Benteke is on the pitch it seems the whole team doesn't bother pressing as they know he isn't willing/can't run.
I make that absolutely spot on. First half he looked lethargic and to be following CB's lead (i.e., not that bothered); second half he looked to be relishing the responsibility of leading the line.

Playing 4-4-2 you have to defend from the front. We didn't do it against ManU and they eventually overran us as our midfield was exposed and had run themselves into the ground. Yesterday Chelsea exposed us much earlier (they look a far better team than ManU) and the resultant half time change worked, but was too late. I don't blame Roy for trying it, two big strikers playing together often works; problem was simply that they did not work hard enough.
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Old 11-03-2018, 01:53 PM
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Amazed that the manager has persisted with him for so long. Match after match he has simply not been good enough and the manager has just refused to see it or do anything about it.
Until now we have never had any other option than to play him. It was the decision not to sign another forward in the summer that caused such a big problem.
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:05 PM
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I make that absolutely spot on. First half he looked lethargic and to be following CB's lead (i.e., not that bothered); second half he looked to be relishing the responsibility of leading the line.

Playing 4-4-2 you have to defend from the front. We didn't do it against ManU and they eventually overran us as our midfield was exposed and had run themselves into the ground. Yesterday Chelsea exposed us much earlier (they look a far better team than ManU) and the resultant half time change worked, but was too late. I don't blame Roy for trying it, two big strikers playing together often works; problem was simply that they did not work hard enough.
I’m sure Chelsea sitting back, letting us push up the pitch an extra 20 yards, and giving our players far more time and space on the ball had nothing to do with the improvement in Sorloth’s, and the whole team’s performance.

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Old 11-03-2018, 02:29 PM
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We have to remember Sorloth is new to the Premiership and he is clearly not the finished product. I like the slight swagger he has but the biggest problem with playing him with that lazy lump Benteke is the laziness will rub off. We were without doubt a better side without Benteke yesterday.
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:34 PM
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I’m sure Chelsea sitting back, letting us push up the pitch an extra 20 yards, and giving our players far more time and space on the ball had nothing to do with the improvement in Sorloth’s, and the whole team’s performance.
Yeah...we should have left Benteke on so he could have jogged through the whole game
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:36 PM
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Yeah...we should have left Benteke on so he could have jogged through the whole game
How did I know that someone would bring up Benteke despite him not being mentioned in my post?
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:40 PM
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I’m sure Chelsea sitting back, letting us push up the pitch an extra 20 yards, and giving our players far more time and space on the ball had nothing to do with the improvement in Sorloth’s, and the whole team’s performance.

Chelsea dropped deep because the pace of Zaha. Having Zaha on the pitch makes teams alter the way they play. After bossing the 1st half... Chelsea ain’t gonna change it for no good reason.
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Chelsea dropped deep because the pace of Zaha. Having Zaha on the pitch makes teams alter the way they play. After bossing the 1st half... Chelsea ain’t gonna change it for no good reason.
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Old 11-03-2018, 02:50 PM
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Chelsea dropped deep because the pace of Zaha. Having Zaha on the pitch makes teams alter the way they play. After bossing the 1st half... Chelsea ain’t gonna change it for no good reason.
Zaha helped, but they were saving their energy for the Nou Camp. I was surprised Conte didn’t rest anyone to be honest.
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:06 PM
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Chelsea dropped deep because the pace of Zaha. Having Zaha on the pitch makes teams alter the way they play. After bossing the 1st half... Chelsea ain’t gonna change it for no good reason.
This happens every game he plays.
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:12 PM
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This happens every game he plays.

Yes... I think RH likes Zaha up top because teams drop deeper, which (should) make CB more dangerous.
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Old 11-03-2018, 03:35 PM
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Not gonna judge him against Spurs, Utd or Chelsea. I’ll wait until we play our teams in our league within a league.
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Not gonna judge him against Spurs, Utd or Chelsea. I’ll wait until we play our teams in our league within a league.
agree, they are miles ahead of us this season.... i can see him giving numerous other teams problems.
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Not gonna judge him against Spurs, Utd or Chelsea. I’ll wait until we play our teams in our league within a league.
to be fair he scored a perfectly good goal against Chelsea and I also thought he looked better as a lone striker in those 45 minutes than Benteke has looked all season
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Amazed that the manager has persisted with him for so long. Match after match he has simply not been good enough and the manager has just refused to see it or do anything about it.
Well, he hasn't really had the opportunity until the last couple of games
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to be fair he scored a perfectly good goal against Chelsea and I also thought he looked better as a lone striker in those 45 minutes than Benteke has looked all season
Very true, Sorloth looked a different player in the second half leading the line.
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He had it after the United game on Monday.
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