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It is my opinion that there are a number of young footballers in England who possess that natural combination of technical, athletic and thinking talent, which is close to uncoachable and which is such a nightmare for defenders - who, with a very good second half of the season in the Premiership, could go to the World Cup. Largely due to our lack of such players. Wilshere and Welbeck are two; I think Sturridge could possibly be another but believe he's not ready. And I also think Moses is in that category; it's a long shot, but none of us know how he's going to adapt to Premiership football, and he does have that mix.
Anyone who doesn't recognise that talent there is in serious denial. I'm not going to say he's the end product yet, far from it, but the talent there is staggering. He's not the best player to play for Palace but I think he is the most talented since Byrne, going by reputation (with the possible exception of Lombardo). No, I wouldn't compare him to Rooney, but there are incredibly few players in world football I would compare with Rooney in terms of the speed of development. Recently I think that list reads Leo Messi and thats it. I do very much think he can be as good as Rooney though. There's been some hysteria and over-optimism about him. But there's also a whole of a lot of pessimism and excessive naysaying and I'd far rather be excited and hopeful for a player like Moses than not.
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Moses is a fantastic talent but people on here are clearly forgetting that he hasn't started every game this season, so obviously our manager doesn't think he should be one of the first names on the team sheet. It doesn't look good to TOP managers when they see a supposed superstar like Moses on the bench against some Championship team does it.
Also, I think some of this talk is way OTT. I would consider the likes of Matt Jansen and John Salako to be far superior talents than Moses. I'm not playing down how good he is because I think he is fantastic but to suggest Victor is as good as the likes of Walcott, Rooney is delusional. Players of that quality DO NOT stay at Championship clubs for as long as Moses has.
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Agree that the hero worship and greatest player we've ever produced/people have ever seen is way over the top (anbd not even close to the truth IMO) I agree Matt Jansen was a bigger talent, but so IMO were anumber oif players to wear the shirt, not all home grown though I disagree about players staying as long as Moses has at a Chmpionshipo club though. He has been here a while but only in the first team squad for a season and ahalf to two seasons , in reality he has never nailed down a starting place. So if he cant guarantee himself a start at Palace he doesnt have a hope of doing so at an established Premiership side. See Routledge, Watson and Soares, all 1st choice at Palce but none ever got close to a regular start in the Premiership after leaving here (and Soares and Watson were/are at bottom end Premiership sides)
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Moses certainly seems to polarise the opinions of the majority of Palace fans. For me it's somewhere in the middle. He is one the most talented players we've had at the club for a long time but it is still raw talent and there is no saying how much better, if any, he is going to get.
To a certain extent that depends on where he moves to. A move to a lesser premier league club could well see him stagnate in much the same way that Routledge, Watson, Soares and the rest have. A move to one of the top clubs would be better for him as, whilst he wouldn't be an instant starter, he would be given time to develop in the way that many Palace fans think he will. Some on this thread have mentioned Aaron Ramsey and I think he is the closest example to Moses. When he moved to Arsenal he wasn't even considered for the first team unless it was a league cup game and even now he's by no means a regular. That is exactly what Moses needs, slow nurturing in an environment where he is surrounded by better players that can only help him improve his game. If this happens then he could well have a very good future in the game.
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The Championship and Premier League are worlds apart. Moses can easily cause Barnsley's defence problems but can he do what Salako and Matt Jansen did on a regular basis. Both from a young age were causing major problems for top class full backs and defenders. I'm really not knocking Moses because I think he is great but some of the stuff written on here is laughable. For example, do you think Moses is good enough to displace Craig Bellamy from Manchester City, Ashley Young from Aston Villa, Yossi Benayoun from Liverpool, Aaron Lennon from Tottenham, Andrey Arshavin from Arsenal, Zoltan Gera from Fulham? Moses has a long way to go before he is talked about in the same brackets as these players. I wish Moses all the best and hope he can fulfill his potential but let's keep some realism about all this. I suspect every club in the country has a 'Victor Moses' who they feel are destined for greatness.
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Salako was good granted, but he didnt have even half the natural talent that Moses is blessed with.
Salad's success was done to hard work and sheer determination to make the most of the somewhat modest skills that he posssed IMO. |
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Victor Moses has an unteachable raw natural talent that is only seen once every decade or so, if he has Frank Lampard's desire and confidence then he will make it big time, if he has David Whyte's then he will disappear!
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i think the salad man was underated , he was excellent on either foot , more two footed than Victor and quicker, a far better crosser and finisher if he hadn't been injured he would have had a long England career and would probably ended up at one of the big clubs i think Victor has that extra bit of skill and i hope that one day he becomes a better player than the wonderful salad man ! Victor is a joy to watch at the moment and i'm glad Warnock has finally realised he is not a winger ! |
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Think Moses will end up somewhere like Villa or Everton.
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Everyone is DIFFERENT. There is absolutely no exact science to player development. None. Players respond to different processes in different ways. Rooney is a GENERATIONAL talent. Not just in terms of skillset, but in sheer footballing and physical maturity - the guy was a beast at 17, and he really got it, like no other kid I have seen in recent times, and we are unlikely to see that too soon again either. Walcott seems to have been overhyped also. The guy got a move on the back of a couple of excellent performances for Southampton, but the only aspect of his game that is better than Victor's in terms of raw talent is speed. Moses' natural technical ability is greater than Walcott. The thing is, Moses' has only just started putting it together. That he was ineffective and inconsistent at times before that would only come as a surprise to people who have been dragged along in the inpatience of modern times and forgotten that guys who develop as fast as Rooney are the exception, not the norm. People are right to be excited about Vic, and to praise him, because on a basic level, his talent is exceptional. Whether he goes on to be a great player still remains to be seen. It will take a huge work ethic (which hasn't always been there with this kid), the right moves, coaching and advice, and most of all, luck. But the kid has the potential to be an ELITE player. |
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bump. lets stick a few more £ on his pricetag whilst showing gratitude for some incredible performances
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lets get behind him! gonna be missed, and puts an end to our season when he has gone! |
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Difficult to compare I guess. Someone with the ball skills of moses will always create a stir amongst the fans. He has to add to it though as he matures. So many skillful players don't. I think Lennon is an example of how it could go well for moses. I still think he lacks the composure to make him a great player but he is an example of a player similar to moses that with the right breaks could move up to another level and be given the chance to improve. Lennon only moved to spurs for £1million from a cash strapped club desperate for money!! worrying example. |
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