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Old 02-07-2017, 01:57 AM
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IMHO, in a structured side he struggles to play his role well. He can be a bit of a headless chook running around giving maximum effort, which is admirable, but not what the structure requires.
He'd be one of the few with any resale value so for me, he's more a makeweight than a requirement in selling.
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Old 02-07-2017, 01:59 AM
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In a fdb side mcarthur won't feature so sell if a good offer cones in
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Old 02-07-2017, 02:24 AM
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Simon Jones (who wrote it) gets his info from agents. Doesn't mean to say it's not accurate, but worth considering.

I'd also sell for 8-10m if offered. Love the guy but that would be the right sort of price.
That might be his market value but why would you sell him? It's just another player we would then have to find a replacement for

We shouldn't sell a player unless we're offered more than we think they're worth, or the player is surplus to requirements.
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In a fdb side mcarthur won't feature so sell if a good offer cones in
We've got rid of Flamini and Ledley, without replacement. We also need DM cover, ST cover, another GK, a passing CB ( that some want us to spend 30M on ) and an AM who's truly worth a damn. That's a lot.

On top, we also seem to be a club willing to actually abide by FFP rules so are probably hamstrung in our spending commitments. Considering all this; is replacing a proven squad player who has been as good as anyone over the last three years really that vital a requirement? Don't we have more pressing transfer business to attend to?
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Yes, thats exactly right. Selling McArthur would leave our squad very short of central midfielders. It would unnecessaily create an issue that we would need to spend time fixing when we already have plenty of other areas that need strengthening.

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McArthur is the kind of player who adds value by being very active, conservative with the ball, and harrying the opposition. As he gets older, that effectiveness is going to dip.

That said, although somewhere between 8-12m is probably his value, if he can get himself back to the form he himself admitted that he didn't have last year, he's worth more to the club than that, and to replace would cost just as much.

Unless we've got our eye on someone abroad who fits the bill. I can't see us selling unless we've got a replacement signed up.
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Big sam said he and dann were both injured from jan till the end of the season. These are 2 of our best players.... The memories of some on here.
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Maybe not but we need more than eleven players and Jimmy Mac is one of the few midfielders we have that might score a goal at present.

For me, he's now like Scott Dann in that he has gone from indispensable to a fringe player after the players that have come in and will likely come in. But we should keep both for at least another season as, with prices what they have become, to replace them with even the same quality is likely to cost more than what we'd get, especially in new player wage demands.

I hope no one thinks we should lose players like McArthur without first securing replacement. Look what happened to our midfield in the first half of last season until Jedinak was belatedly replaced by Luka. And we let Gayle go and was left with only Campbell and two perennially injury-prone players as back up. Had Benteke gotten injured, we'd be having conversations right now about who we can keep hold of in the Championship.

We were damn lucky to survive the gaping holes in our squad last year and selling solid squad players like McArthur smacks of the same stupidity, if not arrogance, for a team that squeaked to safety yet again and has actually been on a season-by-season downhill trend. Make no mistake, we're not too good for the likes of Jimmy Mac in our squad.
Spot on. Bruce is no fool either. McArthur isn't deadwood, he's just been injured.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:48 AM
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If 8-10m is realistic I'd accept it. I can't believe anyone would bid that amount of money for someone about to turn 30 in the last year of their contract who has effectively missed half a season through injury.

I think FDB could spend the money on a younger player who is just as good and likely better.
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Would be a massive mistake to get rid of Jimmy Mc , proven premier league player , box to box , top work rate and chips in with a few goals , yes we need to bring in more talented midfieders but selling McArthur would be a mistake .
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On top, we also seem to be a club willing to actually abide by FFP rules so are probably hamstrung in our spending commitments. Considering all this; is replacing a proven squad player who has been as good as anyone over the last three years really that vital a requirement? Don't we have more pressing transfer business to attend to?
We are not constrained by FFP rules i.e. the amount of losses we can make over a 3 year period. We are constrained by the wage cap (Short Term Cost Control).

I don't believe any Premier League club (ignoring these who broke the rules whilst in the Championship) has broken the rules.
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More goals, more assists (open play), more tackles and covers more ground than Cabaye.

Trouble is ones called Yohan and other called James.
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More goals, more assists (open play), more tackles and covers more ground than Cabaye.

Trouble is ones called Yohan and other called James.
I'd accept the money for him as well. Similar situation. I probably wouldn't let both go but either or is fine by me.
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An equivalent player would cost atleast 15m and twice the wages. However if we're going to keep him I guess he'll sign a 2 year extention which will bump up his wages abit. Still represents good value and a very good option to start or cover.
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An equivalent player would cost atleast 15m and twice the wages. However if we're going to keep him I guess he'll sign a 2 year extention which will bump up his wages abit. Still represents good value and a very good option to start or cover.
Not if we buy from Europe it won't. If we keep signing from English clubs then sure.
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I really like JM. Goes about his business with little fuss or theatrics. On his day he really does make a difference to our structure

Only way I'd let him go was if we got someone in to replace him beforehand
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I'm similar to Workshop, Jimmy Mac is a busy tidy player, who does the simple things well and scores a fair amount of goals.

However with Luka who has proved a gem and a resurgent Cabaye, he could be at best a bench warmer and might fancy some more game time elsewhere
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He's a quality squad player. No chance would I let him go when we're so short
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Would be a massive mistake to get rid of Jimmy Mc , proven premier league player , box to box , top work rate and chips in with a few goals , yes we need to bring in more talented midfieders but selling McArthur would be a mistake .
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