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Old 02-07-2017, 08:54 AM
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Do you have a list of midfielders that will hit the ground running in the Prem for less than 15m?
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:56 AM
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He is one of those honest give it all type of players that every team needs, but unfortunately at the back end of the season when he returned he looked very average and seemed to have lost that edge that made his play invaluable to us.
Selling him should not be out of the question as we need to bring funds in but also allow FDB to bring in the type of player he wishes that would suit his system, but also we must ensure we get a sensible fee possibly around 8-10mil.
Or i would not be averse to a swap deal for their young very talented midfielder but has also been a problem player but who's name i cant recall, he switched from Ireland to England and was on the verge of being called up by England around 2 years ago, it maybe a change of club and manager especially FDB's style of play could reignite his career, could suit Both clubs? worth a try.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:57 AM
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He is one of those honest give it all type of players that every team needs, but unfortunately at the back end of the season when he returned he looked very average and seemed to have lost that edge that made his play invaluable to us.
Selling him should not be out of the question as we need to bring funds in but also allow FDB to bring in the type of player he wishes that would suit his system, but also we must ensure we get a sensible fee possibly around 8-10mil.
Or i would not be averse to a swap deal for their young very talented midfielder but has also been a problem player but who's name i cant recall, he switched from Ireland to England and was on the verge of being called up by England around 2 years ago, it maybe a change of club and manager especially FDB's style of play could reignite his career, could suit Both clubs? worth a try.
Jack grealish?
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:10 AM
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His game is based on energy and fitness... he is probably at a age where we can still get a decent fee.
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Do you have a list of midfielders that will hit the ground running in the Prem for less than 15m?
No but we may have just appointed a man who does.

There's loads of Luka's out there. If we keep signing over priced players from England we'll continue to have relegation battles.
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Thanks, that's the boy.
Very talented but troublesome lad, but as i mentioned a change of scenery could do the trick and we could end up with a gem.
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:13 AM
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His game is based on energy and fitness... he is probably at a age where we can still get a decent fee.
Exactly. He walks away for free next season or we give him a longer contract and in a couple of seasons we'll have an aging midfielder on big wages that we can't shift.
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:23 AM
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:29 AM
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Jimmy Mac needs to stay end of, had a rough time last season like Dann due to injury but is still a top class player.
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:33 AM
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Do you have a list of midfielders that will hit the ground running in the Prem for less than 15m?
He's worth a lot more now, but Dele Alli cost Spurs 5m.
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We're no good at possession football and want to play possession football.

The current players who can't do it are not suddenly going to master it at 30 years old.

If we're going to change then old favourites will leave. If we're bringing the average age down, old favourites will leave.

Buying players age 21-24 is all about selling them at 25-27 for a profit. Balancing the transfer budget is on the agenda.

All this means 10-15m for McArthur is likely to be accepted.
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Or i would not be averse to a swap deal for their young very talented midfielder but has also been a problem player but who's name i cant recall, he switched from Ireland to England and was on the verge of being called up by England around 2 years ago, it maybe a change of club and manager especially FDB's style of play could reignite his career, could suit Both clubs? worth a try.
The reason you can't recall Jack Grealish's name is that he went from being thought of as the the next Paul Gascoigne (by certain people in the FA) to being a player who struggled to get into a very poor first team at Villa in less than 18 months. If the FA had spent time courting the like of Zaha, rather than the considerable time courting Grealish, people may have started thinking that the FA have some understanding of what it takes to be a successful international footballer.
Mcarthur is a very experienced Premier player , Grealish is a failed Premiership/Championship "highlight" player . Why would we swap ?
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MacArthur as cover for Luka is fine by me. We have our DM cover right here. I go back to the Man U game. When Pardew decided to sub MacArthur late on Man U poured straight through the area he was covering and Rooney scored
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MacArthur as cover for Luka is fine by me. We have our DM cover right here. I go back to the Man U game. When Pardew decided to sub MacArthur late on Man U poured straight through the area he was covering and Rooney scored
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No but we may have just appointed a man who does.

There's loads of Luka's out there. If we keep signing over priced players from England we'll continue to have relegation battles.
Exactly.

Jeff Hendrick for 10M or Luka for the same fee? Bit of a no brainer ain't it?

There's a whole list of quality players across the continent who'd be willing to jump at the chance of playing at this level at a much more reasonable cost.

How do the likes of Benfica and Roma etc consistently prove to be top clubs when they sign players who are much lesser known. They have a top recruitment setup who are financially not even as strong as ourselves. I mean we signed Cabaye over Roma's interest.

Benfica's players they've signed on and sold on for big profit is unreal over the years. It's about the recruitment and development in a set way of playing. Hopefully now with five years at this level that's the approach we're looking to go towards to establish ourselves long term.
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Mcarthur is a very experienced Premier player , Grealish is a failed Premiership/Championship "highlight" player . Why would we swap ?
This is a good question. McArthur has been a good PL midfielder, with good character but will be 30 this year. He's only goning to get slower and stuggle to fullfil the box-box style of play that saw him score more goals than our attacking midfielder despite playing less games. Puncheon and Cabaye are also in their 30's. We need to get younger and better in midfield. If the clubs ambitions, particularly for next season, are to avoid relegation and nothing more I would have McArthur in the squad rather than Grealish and its not even close.But if our club wants to be able to play a different way and compete in the league and cups we need to get younger and better in midfield. How can we afford it? One way is to buy 'projects' who may represent a big problem but also potentially be very good, and far too expensive, for us to buy the finished product. Jack Grealish and Ravel Morrison fit into this catagory.
Given that we need two more midfielders and that they should, you would hope, be better than McArthur, it stands to reason that McArthur won't be getting many games this season. At which point swapping him for Grealish with no extra cost, should that be an option, might not be a bad idea. At worst Grealish fails and has cost us a player who wouldn't be playing much anyway and at best he fullfills his potential and we have a quality PL player in his early twenties.
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I'm not sure what McArthur is good at anymore tbh. Too lightweight and small to play as a defensive midfielder like Luka, doesn't bring much creativity to the side and seems to have lost a lot of pace after the injury.

Sell and bring in a younger midfielder.

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Thanks, that's the boy.
Very talented but troublesome lad, but as i mentioned a change of scenery could do the trick and we could end up with a gem.
Feel sorry for the lad. Was playing great, involved in the Ireland set up, then England got involved and claimed him, and since then it seems to have gone to his head and his form has nose dived. Get the feeling if he'd just opted to stay with Ireland, he wouldn't have lost his way so badly.
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More goals, more assists (open play), more tackles and covers more ground than Cabaye.

Trouble is ones called Yohan and other called James.
Cabaye has just one less goal despite playinng further back than McArthur and the same number of assists. He also has a higher passing accuracy (78%-80%), more interceptions/game (2.2 intercepts/game compared to 0.9 for McArthur) and less fouls, per game (1 for Cabaye to 1.4 for McArthur). Cabaye also has 1.1 'key passes'/game wheras McArhur has 0.6.

They play different positions with different responsibilities. Who will be a better fit for FdB system and tactics. I think possibly Cabaye and it has nothing to do with his name.
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Maybe not but we need more than eleven players and Jimmy Mac is one of the few midfielders we have that might score a goal at present.
The only problem with this logic is that it sounds like you are implying the funds cant possibly be used to bring someone who is an improvement in. I dont think anyone is suggesting we sell him and just pocket the money.
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