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Old 05-12-2018, 10:40 PM
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That's because there are only 13 players capable of playing at this level.
Why did Hodgson want Ayew then? He made a big deal about signing him.

Also, why did we sign Sorloth? Signed under Roy but maybe he has no say in transfers then?

The whole situation is odd. We need signings in January that Hodgson wants and who are first team material.
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He did bring on Sorloth. Ayew has proven that he is not good enough to play at this level (as has Sorloth). We do not have any player on the bench that could/ can make an impact. Sad but true
That may be true, but I think Exiled's point is (and Id probably agree) that telling your subs via the media that they're basically unuseable isn't the best way to instill confidence in a side thats treading water above the relegation zone.
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That may be true, but I think Exiled's point is (and Id probably agree) that telling your subs via the media that they're basically unuseable isn't the best way to instill confidence in a side thats treading water above the relegation zone.
I think he has been amazingly loyal to a number of sub-standard players since he came here. Unlike scores of other managers, all to easy to name, he has defended poor play and players for well over a year - and gets knocked for it here.

Now that the omnishambles of our recruitment policy over recent years is biting us on the bum, is he not allowed to deflect at least some of the mountain of crap that has been poured on him by pointing out, in the mildest of ways, what 90% of the contributors to these boards know to be true?
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The point is that there is no-one on the bench that could/ can improve the starting XI. Can you name one player that could have changed the game? I can't...
I just think in the position we were in at HT nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Now that the omnishambles of our recruitment policy over recent years is biting us on the bum, is he not allowed to deflect at least some of the mountain of crap that has been poured on him by pointing out, in the mildest of ways, what 90% of the contributors to these boards know to be true?
I'd say not.

He's been paid a bucket-load to manage. His job is to get the best out of the squad as his disposal not to do a PR job on himself (if thats what you're suggesting) and 'deflect' any crap poured on him.
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Saying the subs aren't good enough is not good man management, it's just excuses some of those players played well when we had injuries last season and hearing that not for the first time must piss them off.
He doesn't know how to change things when it's not working. I reckon he picks the starting 11 regardless of opposition and spends training working on the set up (usually the same as the last game) sometimes it works but it hasn't worked this season apart from the odd 20 mins here and there, or when the oppo were shite.

It was obvious something needed to change at half time but absolutely nothing did. I'm still so pissed off but calming down gradually.
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There are many reasons to bring on subs or rotate the team even in the replacements aren’t as good as the starters especially when the team are playing 3 games in 8 days.
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Old 06-12-2018, 01:02 AM
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Hodgson destroys players confidence and wears his first 11 into the ground. He did it last season and again this.

The team is tactically inept. Almost everything is off the cuff relying on the individual talents of the players.

Corners and freekicks are just lumped in every time in hope our players beat theirs each time ..... or its hurled way beyong the far post where Tomkins tries (and usually fails) to do something with it.

We complain about having no strikers but insist on playing 2 up front. The wide attackers can work against top teams as can counter-attack but against teams that press us, its a pointless approach.

So many things wrong with the way this team is set up and personnel being deployed.

You can complain about recruitment but compare the team with the rest of the division and subjective but I'd say they're estimated 9-12th strongest.
How can you say he destroys players confidence when last season we went from relegation certainties to staying up comfortably, thrashing Leicester 5-0 into the bargain?

I think he has weaknesses, in particular the stubborness that people mention, but you have to balance the argument out a bit. I still think we will stay up under him and I share his concern about the quality of the squad.

However, I also share ExiledSterling's concerns about the way he is going about things at the moment, it feels like we are going backwards again as a team. I actually like the formation he is playing at the moment but the key to it is Wilf and Andros pulling deep and wide like they did against Burnley, not just sitting on the centreback like yesterday (Wilf's off the ball movement was non-existent).

From his comments after the game it was as if he was expecting us to lose, and that is very disappointing. He is obviously making the point the squad isn't strong enough but he should be trying to install confidence in them all, not putting them down.

He deserves the time to sort this out, and to get better support from our recruitment policy, but this sort of negative attitude can't carry on.
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Old 06-12-2018, 07:18 AM
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How can you say he destroys players confidence when last season we went from relegation certainties to staying up comfortably, thrashing Leicester 5-0 into the bargain?
Sorry should have been clearer ... the confidence of any potential replacement player by not trusting them, giving more than one-off opportunities, openly stating he has no options. Even 2nd half of last season we lost a lot of late points due to knackered players losing concentration in last 10 minutes as he didnt trust any of his subs - fine if it happened once, twice .... but repeatedly in 12 mth period is as you say .... stubbornness .... and a serious flaw that has dogged his career.
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Sorry should have been clearer ... the confidence of any potential replacement player by not trusting them, giving more than one-off opportunities, openly stating he has no options. Even 2nd half of last season we lost a lot of late points due to knackered players losing concentration in last 10 minutes as he didnt trust any of his subs - fine if it happened once, twice .... but repeatedly in 12 mth period is as you say .... stubbornness .... and a serious flaw that has dogged his career.
I see what you mean now and yes I agree. Still doesn't take away the fact he has been a good manager throughout his career and managed to keep us up easily in the end, but then I guess Pardew also did that as well before the wheels fell off.

I still think he deserves time to sort this out, as on occasion we do play some pretty good football and look a proper PL team. What worries me more is what manager we get if he does go, as the obvious firefighters are no longer available.
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Why did Hodgson want Ayew then? He made a big deal about signing him.

Also, why did we sign Sorloth? Signed under Roy but maybe he has no say in transfers then?

The whole situation is odd. We need signings in January that Hodgson wants and who are first team material.
We signed Ayew because he was cheap. Sorloth was a complete waste of money, but that is what has happened year after year (Mutch, Kebe, etc etc). There is no money in January.
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For starters he needs to be motivating the squad not announcing that they are not up to it.

He is the manager and it was clear at HT that we were playing total shit (as if the scoreline did not make that clear) and is he really saying that he could not see a point of changing things? No point changing tactics? No point in changing personnel? Bloody hell that is worrying don't you think?
At the level of players that have been bought in? Damn right it’s worrying. But he’s right, how many of those players have come on and changed a game in Roy’s entire tenure here? Or are able to influence a game from their position.

Ayew has done nothing
Sorloth has done nothing

Puncheon has injured de Bruyne
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The rest would be defenders/keepers

We’ve got nothing. For all Sako’s faults, at least when he came on he tried to make something happen, and under Roy he certainly made an effort.
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No the point is that we have a manager with a squad of players at his disposal of which we have 11 on the pitch and 7 on the bench. We are playing like dog turd so something needs to change no? So our manager says what was the point in making substitutions at HT. Well maybe tactics no? Maybe to take off some players who quite clearly were off there game no? What changed on 60 mins that saw him decide he needed to make a tactical substitution? The fact we were carrying on being shit? If so then why not make the change at HT?

Very worrying comments from RH and not good for some in the squad to hear. We need all our players motivated, particularly now as we try and avoid a relegation scrap come the end of the season.
Agree on the general point, I don’t agree with RH’s policy on making subs. Something had clearly gone wrong in the preparation for this game. Tactics lost it more than anything else.
But on the last part, I think back to the 1-4 loss at Bristol City last year. He slated that lot hard too. PvA was one who was dreadful in that game but later responded really well.
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He's had 7 shots, 1 on target and 4 off target.
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