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Old 07-09-2017, 10:26 PM
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But Palace have a 13-year-old (Fionn Mooney - Whitgift school) involved in the latest England U15 camp which is quite a feat.
With a name like that I hope be declares for Ireland.
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:31 PM
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How about a rule?

If someone comes and takes an acadamy player, the original club get first refusal on a loan back later at NO cost.
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:33 PM
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He's best as a winger but he's played as a No 10 this season. He is extremely quick, good close control and a powerful shot. Likes to shoot from distance, crosses the ball well.

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Maybe he is the back up to Benteke?
Didnt do Fowler or Owen any harm. Not that they were backup to Benteke. Where would Rashford be now if the wankers hadnt had so many injuries and beaker was forced to play him?
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Given our lack of strikers then maybe he could get a game for the first team!!
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Old 08-09-2017, 12:54 AM
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That twat Southgate is partially responsable for this. He got the England job for his toadying around the FA on issues like this.
How about we look internally, 5 years prem money and our academy is (or was until recently) was based at goals. Why are we not a cat1 academy? They can all be answered i am sure but for years we relied on our youth team to send players to the first team, that dried up when the current owners took over. At least it seems that way.
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How about we look internally, 5 years prem money and our academy is (or was until recently) was based at goals. Why are we not a cat1 academy? They can all be answered i am sure but for years we relied on our youth team to send players to the first team, that dried up when the current owners took over. At least it seems that way.
A cynic may say that we've never been in administration since the new owners either so haven't had nothing but kids left. It's also a different ball game in the Premier League as the stacks are so much higher. This may be the season that changes all that. A couple of knocks here and there upfront and we'd be left with kids on the bench at least.

If and when the opportunity comes lets hope the likes of Lokilo and Kai Kai grab it
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Old 08-09-2017, 01:54 AM
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How about we look internally, 5 years prem money and our academy is (or was until recently) was based at goals. Why are we not a cat1 academy? They can all be answered i am sure but for years we relied on our youth team to send players to the first team, that dried up when the current owners took over. At least it seems that way.
Agreed. I'm still mystified by the decision not to go for Cat 1 in the first place.
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Surely he's got a better chance of breaking into the first team with us than Liverpool...er I don't know though, our recent record with decent youngsters is not that good.
I bet Liverpool have given more first team debuts to their academy boys than we have in the last 5 years.
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Old 08-09-2017, 09:37 AM
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I bet Liverpool have given more first team debuts to their academy boys than we have in the last 5 years.
in the first 18 or so months after Kloop joined Liverpool he gave 19 players their debut. About half were academy players. Some of those had been "acquired" from other academies (spurs, Arsenal, Barcelona) but mostly kids from the NW.
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Dont think we can afford to let any talented forward players leave given the shortage at the club. Stick him on the bench with bissaka.
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He's best as a winger but he's played as a No 10 this season. He is extremely quick, good close control and a powerful shot. Likes to shoot from distance, crosses the ball well.
Sounds like the sort of player the first team are missing , put him on the bench and give him some first team mins and let's see what the lads got
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Woosie- what is your opinion of teams like Brentford ditching the whole academy set up in favour of a B team. I recently read that Huddersfield were going to save over £2m a year doing so.
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With a name like that I hope be declares for Ireland.
Or go with Ffion and declare for Wales.
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Agreed. I'm still mystified by the decision not to go for Cat 1 in the first place.
need to buy a new training ground first, until we get the required land footprint, we cannot house the required facilities to achieve Cat 1
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Old 08-09-2017, 10:27 AM
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Unfortunately any young talented player will always be at the mercy of the "big boys" which surely should be the warning signs for Management to make every effort to up our efforts to make Palace a club that CAN hold on to its future stars.
But as long as we lag behind in our Youth development facilities/stadium, these kids will always be vulnerable to be tempted away which is totally understandable.
What i feel could be a real missed opportunity is if FdB were to leave, as his reputation with youngsters and their development is legendary and is just what is needed to encourage our youngsters to want to stay and develop at CPFC.
Is this not one of the reasons which would have tempted SP into appointing de Boer? Even with our unfortunate form currently, crucially we need FdB to succeed and continue the development of the club at ALL levels.
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Clubs take players from each other all the time.

Kian Flanagan in our U23s was bought as a 14-year-old from Southend, Joshua Malcolm in our U18s was signed from AFC Wimbledon as an U14. Patrick Roberts at Man City joined Fulham from Wimbledon.

But Palace have a 13-year-old (Fionn Mooney - Whitgift school) involved in the latest England U15 camp which is quite a feat. We also have three others in the same camp; Kevin Gonzalez, John Kymani-Gordon and Jadan Raymond (Whitgift school). Then in the U16s we have Brandon Aveiro who is being watched by England and has played U18s for us. In the 18s we have Hungbo. Jude Russell has played every single minute since his U18 debut a week after his 15th birthday in March.

Yes, we do lose players to big clubs, but we also steal them from others and we manage to keep hold of some as well.

Huddersfield are considering closing their academy, Brentford already did this. I don't think it's the way forward but I can understand why they're doing it.

Whether there is any point - depends whether you look at it from the perspective of purely being a place for making money or making players for the first team, or whether you include the side of it that helps young people who may not otherwise have stood much of a chance in life.
Thanks for the update.

Any youngsters anywhere near breaking into the first team right now? A couple of seasons ago Hiram Boateng seemed close, but we just sold him so clearly he wasn't in De Boer's plans.
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Surely he's got a better chance of breaking into the first team with us than Liverpool...er I don't know though, our recent record with decent youngsters is not that good.
Yeah our club's mentality is shit. FdB, and Freedman, could change it but looks like he Frank is going to be gone soon to be replaced by a tradition English 442, only play EPL ready journeymen, manager.
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I bet Liverpool have given more first team debuts to their academy boys than we have in the last 5 years.
On second thoughts I can't argue with that, a good example is the 17 year old who scored on his International debut for Wales.
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Think one of the things that go against us when we have players on the verge of breaking through, we lump the first team with bang average players. I don't see what the likes of Mutch or Lee offered more than KaiKai or Boateng and I do feel as though that may have stunned their development a bit, especially KaiKai who I think could benefit from a few appearances in the Premier League.

The exciting thing about FDB coming in was seeing how ready he was to put in the likes of KaiKai, Bissaka and Lokilo and if he pulls it around I hope he continues the trend. Lokilo especially looks a lot better for his involvement in the first team, Nya Kirby also doesn't seem far off and Bissaka looks like he could have a route in this season.

There are times where I can see where a loan would be benifical to a players development but during Pardew's tenure we were left crying out for KaiKai at least twice when injuries hit and fans had lost faith in seeing Lee, Mutch and Sako trot about or suffered with injuries as well. It's pressure to come into that situation but I think fans, especially Palace fans, give youth fans a chance and encouragement when they come through. It gives a massive sense of pride seeing a local lad pull on the shirt and I think a lot of our players in the past have fed off that when you look at the careers some of our players that have graduated from the youth team have had here or elsewhere.

Hopefully we hang onto Hungbo and like Lokilo, Bissaka, Kirby and KaiKai a route into the first team and involvement in the matchday squad won't be far off.
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