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Old 15-01-2019, 12:46 AM
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I remember hearing a story that back in the day Malcolm Allison was given a statue or a paperweight that was an eagle, which was on his desk and he used this as the inspiration to change from the Glaziers.


It's sounds random enough to have a degree of truth about it.
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I remember hearing a story that back in the day Malcolm Allison was given a statue or a paperweight that was an eagle, which was on his desk and he used this as the inspiration to change from the Glaziers.


It's sounds random enough to have a degree of truth about it.
The only reason Malcolm Allison gave was that he had hired a PR man to come up with an idea to make the club image more dynamic - and the Eagle emblem was the choice - the actual design was by a big Palace fan and in fact the official club photographer back in 1973, Keith Payne.

Having been through dozens of the various histories and reports of both the 1905 CPFC and indeed the original 1861-1876 amatuer club, The Glazier's nickname took a bit of a while to come about - and again, contrary to what many have suggested previously, there is hardly any record at all of any actual glaziers or even day staff at the Crystal Palace building or grounds playing or managing either club.

The earliest reports seem to use the words 'Sydenhamites', 'Palatials' and occasionally 'Crystals' as well as the more obvious, 'The Palace', 'Palace' or 'CP's' as a nickname long before the first mention of 'The Glazier's' is first mentioned in a local newspaper report circa 1906.

Palace only started using a club badge depicting the Palace from the 1955 season and it was only for the 1972/73 season that the name 'The Glaziers' made it on to the club shirts, just one year before the wholesale change to 'The Eagles' nickname and the Red and Blue colours.

Of course, the more recent revelation is that again, contrary to decades of popular belief - Claret and Light Blue were not the colours worn by the club between in it's first 30 years between 1905-1936, as not only the original club's board notes, but also every available programme note and newspaper report have Palace described as wearing the lighter Cardinal red (i.e. not as dark as Claret) and light blue - so as with all things Palace, there is a huge element of mystery and confusion in the details!
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Old 15-01-2019, 10:49 AM
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Palace played in black and white when I started watching, leather footballs which were so heavy whenever the ball was wet and a lace to keep the bladder in.

Never ever seen a glazier at the ground but yes for eagles flying. Who knows in years to come everything now will be so old fashioned and we name change again to men from Mars.
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Old 15-01-2019, 12:16 PM
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Wikipedia says Pardew was a glazier. I thought he was a window cleaner.
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Wikipedia says Pardew was a glazier. I thought he was a window cleaner.
Double glazing fitter from memory.
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No, Pardew himself said once that the media printed that and it stuck. He confirmed he was a window cleaner doing industrial stuff, office blocks I think
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Blasphemy ! Big Mal was the best thing that ever happened to this club after Arthur Wait and for a long time until Coppell came along.

Yes he may have liked a drink, but please do not insult the guy he is sadly not a well man these days. He was the only one with any sense on the BBC at the semi final in 1990 who did not crawl up Liverpool's a**e.

He gave Palace a glamour that far exceeded the achievements on the pitch up to the time he joined us. He built the greatest youth team we ever had, which became the "team of the 80's" He took us to our first F.A. cup semi final (for the club in its current form) He built a team that played some of the best football that has ever been played at Selhurst Park, in short he created a new club from one that had spent most of its history in the lower depths of the football league. he built on the foundation that Arthur Wait had put down, he created a club with a legend that far outstripped the reality. Big Mal made Palace a Big Club, everything that has been achieved since would not have come about without Big Mal. Yes he may have taken us down two seasons running, but he pruned and sowed new seeds that were to flourish and take us to the very top of the Football League. The guy deserves nothing but respect and thanks for what he did for our club, I hope that he will be fit enough to make it down to Selhurst for at least one game during our centenary season, for when people talk about this player or that manager being a legend, Big Mal invented the words Palace Legend
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Brighton were called the seagulls and we were so in awe of their superiority that we decided to copy them and call ourselves eagles.






Or maybe it was the other way round!
Wrong - they were called the dolphins and changed to seagulls after we named ourselves the Eagles under big Mal.
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Blasphemy ! Big Mal was the best thing that ever happened to this club after Arthur Wait and for a long time until Coppell came along.

Yes he may have liked a drink, but please do not insult the guy he is sadly not a well man these days. He was the only one with any sense on the BBC at the semi final in 1990 who did not crawl up Liverpool's a**e.

He gave Palace a glamour that far exceeded the achievements on the pitch up to the time he joined us. He built the greatest youth team we ever had, which became the "team of the 80's" He took us to our first F.A. cup semi final (for the club in its current form) He built a team that played some of the best football that has ever been played at Selhurst Park, in short he created a new club from one that had spent most of its history in the lower depths of the football league. he built on the foundation that Arthur Wait had put down, he created a club with a legend that far outstripped the reality. Big Mal made Palace a Big Club, everything that has been achieved since would not have come about without Big Mal. Yes he may have taken us down two seasons running, but he pruned and sowed new seeds that were to flourish and take us to the very top of the Football League. The guy deserves nothing but respect and thanks for what he did for our club, I hope that he will be fit enough to make it down to Selhurst for at least one game during our centenary season, for when people talk about this player or that manager being a legend, Big Mal invented the words Palace Legend
I entirely agree, I could not have put it better myself.
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Is the answer that an eagle is a graceful, beautiful killing machine and the other choice, seagull is a dirty, scummy scavenger that eats anything and feeds off peoples gluttony?
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The only reason Malcolm Allison gave was that he had hired a PR man to come up with an idea to make the club image more dynamic - and the Eagle emblem was the choice - the actual design was by a big Palace fan and in fact the official club photographer back in 1973, Keith Payne.

Having been through dozens of the various histories and reports of both the 1905 CPFC and indeed the original 1861-1876 amatuer club, The Glazier's nickname took a bit of a while to come about - and again, contrary to what many have suggested previously, there is hardly any record at all of any actual glaziers or even day staff at the Crystal Palace building or grounds playing or managing either club.

The earliest reports seem to use the words 'Sydenhamites', 'Palatials' and occasionally 'Crystals' as well as the more obvious, 'The Palace', 'Palace' or 'CP's' as a nickname long before the first mention of 'The Glazier's' is first mentioned in a local newspaper report circa 1906.

Palace only started using a club badge depicting the Palace from the 1955 season and it was only for the 1972/73 season that the name 'The Glaziers' made it on to the club shirts, just one year before the wholesale change to 'The Eagles' nickname and the Red and Blue colours.

Of course, the more recent revelation is that again, contrary to decades of popular belief - Claret and Light Blue were not the colours worn by the club between in it's first 30 years between 1905-1936, as not only the original club's board notes, but also every available programme note and newspaper report have Palace described as wearing the lighter Cardinal red (i.e. not as dark as Claret) and light blue - so as with all things Palace, there is a huge element of mystery and confusion in the details!
Surely the Glaziers was simply that the Crystal Palace building was made of glass
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Yes, almost certainly, the point being made was that the Glaziers nickname arose from the early press reports of the 1905/06 team - there is a misconception amongst some people that the earliest players were either glaziers or worked at the Crystal Palace, but studies of the individuals involved in both the 1861-76 CPFC and our 1905 club prove otherwise.
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so is this bollocks …. ??

Big Mal .. CPFC Legend as we all know …. changed our strip to red/blue to mirror Barcelona. He thought it would give the club glamour and panache.

The Eagles nickname was taken as a nod of approval to Benfica.
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Big Mal .. CPFC Legend as we all know …. changed our strip to red/blue to mirror Barcelona. He thought it would give the club glamour and panache.

The Eagles nickname was taken as a nod of approval to Benfica.
It's a myth - I don't mind repeating the statement over and over, as I asked Malcolm Allison both questions at Selhurst Park - both the colour change from Claret and Light Blue to Red and Blue and the nickname from Glaziers to Eagles was the idea of a PR man Allison consulted - the stories about Barcelona and Benfica are purely fabricated - Barcelona's colours in 1973 were not scarlet and royal blue for starters - the story about Palace copying the Benfica nickname is also not true.

When it comes to nicknames, it is probably worth noting that 'Crystal Palace' is in fact a nickname in itself. It was coined in 1851 after the first reports describing the mainly glass building that would house the Great Exhibition in Hyde Park - and the nickname stuck even after the building was dismantled and rebuilt in South London in 1854 - just to be clear, Crystal Palace FC are named after the building and not the area that later became known as Crystal Palace.
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CPFC's original colours were always Cardinal and Blue anyway, not claret and blue, so what we have now is hardly a major departure from our 1905 origins
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Read all this with much fascination, especially your posts CP Satellite. Have to say I’ve always believed the Allison/Barca/Benfica inspiration stories.

Does anyone know who actually was the PR man Allison consulted about the badge and kit change? Is it possible he was influenced by Barca’s kit and Benfica’s badge?
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Blasphemy ! Big Mal was the best thing that ever happened to this club after Arthur Wait and for a long time until Coppell came along.

Yes he may have liked a drink, but please do not insult the guy he is sadly not a well man these days. He was the only one with any sense on the BBC at the semi final in 1990 who did not crawl up Liverpool's a**e.

He gave Palace a glamour that far exceeded the achievements on the pitch up to the time he joined us. He built the greatest youth team we ever had, which became the "team of the 80's" He took us to our first F.A. cup semi final (for the club in its current form) He built a team that played some of the best football that has ever been played at Selhurst Park, in short he created a new club from one that had spent most of its history in the lower depths of the football league. he built on the foundation that Arthur Wait had put down, he created a club with a legend that far outstripped the reality. Big Mal made Palace a Big Club, everything that has been achieved since would not have come about without Big Mal. Yes he may have taken us down two seasons running, but he pruned and sowed new seeds that were to flourish and take us to the very top of the Football League. The guy deserves nothing but respect and thanks for what he did for our club, I hope that he will be fit enough to make it down to Selhurst for at least one game during our centenary season, for when people talk about this player or that manager being a legend, Big Mal invented the words Palace Legend

Well said that man. Big Mal put Palace on the map. Great character. I can never forget that cup run. It was so special.
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tony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minetony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minetony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minetony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minetony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minetony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minetony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minetony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minetony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minetony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of minetony 1947 : if all you've got to do today is find peace of mind, come round, you can take a piece of mine
Interesting piece attached from 'Croydon Advertiser' July 1973 regarding change of strip and name.
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