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Old 10-08-2017, 11:15 AM
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It makes me laugh how fans say we should have bought Gray or Van Persie etc etc.

first, the player will want to move to your location, your club. they will want to ensure they will be playing (unless they are paid obscene money to sit on the bench) - I dont think we will play 442 nor have Andre Gray ahead of Benteke.

then there is the fee, wage expectations etc etc.

then there is whether the players work ethic, attitude, behaviour match the clubs expectations.

only in the case where you are desperate do you then just throw money at it.

look at the Brighton bid for Izquierda for example....they are desperate for talent, agent calls them and says....I know your team is shit, I have a player at brugge who will come to you despite not knowing who you are. give the club 18 million, the player 60k per week and a DVD of the clubs history, then meet me in a restaurant in Brugge this evening so we can send a false message of hope to your fans that you will stay up with a division one player with a fancy name.
On the basis of your theory we will never have more than ONE first choice striker, Gray has joined Watford knowing Deeney and Okoka is also there, then there is also Bournemouth with FOUR First choice strikers to choose from, Both "small" clubs if they can tempt players and we can't there is something very wrong in how we conduct business and our ambitions.
Should we be fortunate to get Either Van Persie or Gray they would NOT be restricted to playing 4-4-2, it could be alongside or just off the main striker, or in a Front Three with Zaha and Benteke making us a real goal threat for a change.
As for wages or fee for new additions, our current expenditure to date has been 7m so surely a lot more leeway, we are no longer novices in the premiership this will be our Fifth season and need to think accordingly if we are to make progress.
If you were to bring in players of the calibre of either Van Persie Or Gray, then it needs to be whereby they will be incorporated in the team, are we not thinking of playing with a Front Three? Zaha-Benteke-Van-Persie?
If we don't prepare ourselves to succeed then we will fail, and having the right players at your disposal is the only way to do it.
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I don't understand the surprise or panic at not having completed our transfer business yet. When have we (or most other clubs) ever had our first XI in place before the beginning of the season.
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Pretty sure FDB knows who he will use in the first team now so perhaps there may be outgoings before there are any incomings.
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I don't understand the surprise or panic at not having completed our transfer business yet. When have we (or most other clubs) ever had our first XI in place before the beginning of the season.
The Panic comes from the fact we won't be at our strongest, will drop points and February will roll around again with us in trouble and everyone looking back at the August fixtures saying 'if only we had taken all 3 points from XX'. It happens every year.
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The Panic comes from the fact we won't be at our strongest, will drop points and February will roll around again with us in trouble and everyone looking back at the August fixtures saying 'if only we had taken all 3 points from XX'. It happens every year.
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On the basis of your theory we will never have more than ONE first choice striker, Gray has joined Watford knowing Deeney and Okoka is also there, then there is also Bournemouth with FOUR First choice strikers to choose from, Both "small" clubs if they can tempt players and we can't there is something very wrong in how we conduct business and our ambitions.
Should we be fortunate to get Either Van Persie or Gray they would NOT be restricted to playing 4-4-2, it could be alongside or just off the main striker, or in a Front Three with Zaha and Benteke making us a real goal threat for a change.
As for wages or fee for new additions, our current expenditure to date has been 7m so surely a lot more leeway, we are no longer novices in the premiership this will be our Fifth season and need to think accordingly if we are to make progress.
If you were to bring in players of the calibre of either Van Persie Or Gray, then it needs to be whereby they will be incorporated in the team, are we not thinking of playing with a Front Three? Zaha-Benteke-Van-Persie?
If we don't prepare ourselves to succeed then we will fail, and having the right players at your disposal is the only way to do it.
Just saying that there is more to a transfer than "we should have bought him".

I agree we need re-inforcements if we are going to challenge over a season and are surely risking some much needed points early season if we lose Benteke or Zaha through injury or suspension. (no-one wants a repeat of Pardew's comments, "we didnt expect to lose Souare"

on the other hand, if they dont get injured or suspended then we will be alright for the first couple of weeks.

I would be more than happy to wait a couple of weeks to sign a quality forward rather than rush into buying the first one who comes available.

I for one dont think Gray would be a good signing at 18m. De Boer will be looking at shape and system of play. if a player like gray doesnt fit that, he may have scored 20 goals and lost every game. one quick google search on Andre Gray shows this. (whoscored.com)

+ Strengths
Finishing - Strong
- Weaknesses
Holding on to the ball - Very Weak
Offside awareness - Very Weak
Passing - Weak
Defensive contribution -Weak

if for example you were presented with this information from a scout, do you think de Boer would want to sign him?
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We seemingly have a system regarding recruitment which acknoweldges that we are still one of the smallest clubs in the league and, having paid PL fee's and wages for 4 years, actually have less resources than some of the more recently promoted clubs. I've attempted to summarise our approach here:

1. Identify targets to buy and loan, leaning heavily on players from the 'big six' for loans (RLC, Mensah, Remy, Sanogo etc) and unwanted players looking to reboot their careers (Chamakh, Cabaye, Benteke, Puncheon, even Zaha) unattached players (Flamini, Adebayor, Sako - note, this never works) or cheaper options from other leagues that may turn out well (Dann, Ledely, Gayle).
2. Agree loan's. This seems to be fairly easy for Palace - the challange is finding the right players.
3. Negotiate very firmly for both transfer and wage for any player even if it means pushing the purchase back into the start of the season or failing to recruit
4. Save some money for January firefighting
5. Try and loan out the deadwood.

This system works as evidenced by our record fifth year in the PL. A comparison between our squad to that of the promoted squad or the first 11 compared to the first 11 last August is further evidence of this approach. Very rarely will we ever sign a player central to the plans of another club. In fact I can only think of Luka - and that's only due to his playing for a team in the greek league. It means frustrating August's and January's in perpetuity for us Palace fans but also nights such as we saw against Arsenal at home last season.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:59 PM
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We will make signings by the end of the window but as it stands we are threadbare for keeper and striker - right sided defence probably OK unless Ward goes. FDB may still be making his mind up about several players but we need to be shipping the likes of Sakho, Lee and Mutch out urgently to free up wages for new signings as well.
I would not be so sure. Last season we started the season with Wickham up front with Ladapo and Anderson on the bench as Campbell was injured, previous season it was Murray with Wickham, Banford and Gayle on the bench. Season before that it was Campbell with Gayle and Murray on the bench and the first season back it was Wilbraham and Gayle with Phillips and Chamakh on the bench. The point is that every season we are short in the striking department, not in numbers but in quality.
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We seemingly have a system regarding recruitment which acknoweldges that we are still one of the smallest clubs in the league and, having paid PL fee's and wages for 4 years, actually have less resources than some of the more recently promoted clubs. I've attempted to summarise our approach here:

1. Identify targets to buy and loan, leaning heavily on players from the 'big six' for loans (RLC, Mensah, Remy, Sanogo etc) and unwanted players looking to reboot their careers (Chamakh, Cabaye, Benteke, Puncheon, even Zaha) unattached players (Flamini, Adebayor, Sako - note, this never works) or cheaper options from other leagues that may turn out well (Dann, Ledely, Gayle).
2. Agree loan's. This seems to be fairly easy for Palace - the challange is finding the right players.
3. Negotiate very firmly for both transfer and wage for any player even if it means pushing the purchase back into the start of the season or failing to recruit
4. Save some money for January firefighting
5. Try and loan out the deadwood.

This system works as evidenced by our record fifth year in the PL. A comparison between our squad to that of the promoted squad or the first 11 compared to the first 11 last August is further evidence of this approach. Very rarely will we ever sign a player central to the plans of another club. In fact I can only think of Luka - and that's only due to his playing for a team in the greek league. It means frustrating August's and January's in perpetuity for us Palace fans but also nights such as we saw against Arsenal at home last season.
Excellent analysis (bar the Holloway period). Patience is necessary, expecially if changing to a style that creates quite a bit of deadwood.
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The Panic comes from the fact we won't be at our strongest, will drop points and February will roll around again with us in trouble and everyone looking back at the August fixtures saying 'if only we had taken all 3 points from XX'. It happens every year.

Its not only the August fixtures, it's the September ones too, whilst our end of the window signings fit into our set up.

Unfortunately it is the way we do our transfer business. It will only change if the powers that be show some common sense and close the transfer window at the end of July.
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We spent a lot in January. We were always going to spend less this window.

The time to judge FDB is this time next year after 3 windows. People predicting top half finishes are bonkers. This will be slow progress but worth it in the long run.
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Its not only the August fixtures, it's the September ones too, whilst our end of the window signings fit into our set up.

Unfortunately it is the way we do our transfer business. It will only change if the powers that be show some common sense and close the transfer window at the end of July.
No its not.

Slightly depends on whether they are internationals or not but from the day the window closes we have 10 days before we play again. If the player is off with his country he will come back at the same time half our players do and if not he will be assessed and then into full team training.

Latest they should be up to speed is Southampton on 16th. Exception would be a Sakho or VVD who have been frozen out of training who may take longer.
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We spent a lot in January. We were always going to spend less this window.

The time to judge FDB is this time next year after 3 windows. People predicting top half finishes are bonkers. This will be slow progress but worth it in the long run.
We spent more in January because we underspent last summer, so January's expenditure shouldn't have as negative an impact on this summer as you might think. In any case, what is the point of the Americans? Where is their money? Wankers
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We spent a lot in January. We were always going to spend less this window.

The time to judge FDB is this time next year after 3 windows. People predicting top half finishes are bonkers. This will be slow progress but worth it in the long run.
Just providing we are still in the Prem then and don't lose Wilf...
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We bought Benteke, Townsend and Tomkins last summer!
And? We sold bolasie and Gayle, among others. Net spend wasn't much.

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We spent a lot in January. We were always going to spend less this window.

The time to judge FDB is this time next year after 3 windows. People predicting top half finishes are bonkers. This will be slow progress but worth it in the long run.
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The Panic comes from the fact we won't be at our strongest, will drop points and February will roll around again with us in trouble and everyone looking back at the August fixtures saying 'if only we had taken all 3 points from XX'. It happens every year.
Indeed. What do we do if Benteke is out for a significant period of time? First choice keeper? These are questions we've had since May 14th to answer. I would have thought last seasons skin of the teeth survival would have been a wake up call but seemingly not.
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And? We sold bolasie and Gayle, among others. Net spend wasn't much.

Bloody Middlesbrough have spent more than us this summer.
Great I'm not the only one who sees it....
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Frank the bore won't make it to the next window...... not 3 more Windows
Still here then. Your posts remind me of when my dog farts - unpleasant, lingering and always surprised by the reaction she gets after the event.
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