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Old 19-09-2017, 08:06 AM
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Old 19-09-2017, 10:25 AM
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So much speculation, but it will all be dependant on where we are come the 1st of January if unfortunately we are adrift at the bottom then it will be a fire sale of our most valuable assets like Zaha, Benteke and Townsend which in this ludicrous market would fetch around 100m, and then prepare for the Championship.
As much as it may be unpopular to fans and appear that we have thrown in the towel, but in reality if Parish has the courage to take that decision then it may be one of the most sensible he has made for sometime.
He then needs to support RH into bringing in high quality young Championship players coupled with good young Foreign players along with a few good experienced pros as Huddersfield did, and then maybe after a couple of seasons we can return to the Premiership far better prepared.
Having already wasted 4 years in the premiership with all it offers plus the American investment with nothing of note to show is scandalous, when our aim should have been in trying to establish ourselves as a mid table club initially and then aim higher in time, it has been such a waste of an opportunity. Instead all we have done is change more managers than a mother does when changing nappies, is it any wonder that the club is in a mess?
Lets hope this is me jumping the gun and that we survive and have learnt lessons from this farcical period.
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40 million is no longer a war chest in the Premiership . A 40 million trinket box would be more apt .
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Although I'll settle for a 15million of each and then a third player for 10million
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Old 19-09-2017, 11:15 AM
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So much speculation, but it will all be dependant on where we are come the 1st of January if unfortunately we are adrift at the bottom then it will be a fire sale of our most valuable assets like Zaha, Benteke and Townsend which in this ludicrous market would fetch around 100m, and then prepare for the Championship.
As much as it may be unpopular to fans and appear that we have thrown in the towel, but in reality if Parish has the courage to take that decision then it may be one of the most sensible he has made for sometime.
He then needs to support RH into bringing in high quality young Championship players coupled with good young Foreign players along with a few good experienced pros as Huddersfield did, and then maybe after a couple of seasons we can return to the Premiership far better prepared.
Having already wasted 4 years in the premiership with all it offers plus the American investment with nothing of note to show is scandalous, when our aim should have been in trying to establish ourselves as a mid table club initially and then aim higher in time, it has been such a waste of an opportunity. Instead all we have done is change more managers than a mother does when changing nappies, is it any wonder that the club is in a mess?
Lets hope this is me jumping the gun and that we survive and have learnt lessons from this farcical period.
It's funny but I put together a long post based on something similar for the summer but I deleted it without finishing it in part because it was so long and SP announced what a wonderful squad of players we have and so seemed pointless. But the thought started with the squad badly needing a serious refresh because it has really been allowed to get into a poor state due to constant short term mgt. The idea that we shift out Benteke, Cabaye, Macca, Townsend, the FDB suggestions etc. to raise funds and rebuild the squad with younger high potential around Wilf. This would have been a risk for sure but with foreign loans, UK loans and maybe a top up we could with the new manager (at the time FDB pre-problems) I just thought it might have come off and over the next few years with careful squad management we could move up the table while changing the culture etc.

Obviously this is well and truly down the pan right now but maybe Hodgson can start that as he did with England, identifying the right potential and bringing them into the squad. Can't see him finishing the job though. So very similar to what you are suggesting in Jan.

My long term hobby horse has been our failure (over decades it seems) to hold onto a Manager and the turmoil that has caused. I am always told that isn't the modern way but that is by definition self fulfilling. Maybe the Sports Director is a start - but I just can't believe that DF is reasonable candidate. I hope I am wrong but what are the odds that our former (average by football standards) player who has failed to establish himself as a Manager anywhere or win anything suddenly (player or manager) emerges as the genius to architect us through that. Wonder what the odds will be. Also, if he does look like being at all successful, he has proven to us several times now that he will simply move on elsewhere for more cash.

I do think SP needs to go away somewhere and talk to non-Palace people and get his head well and truly out of his daily work. Spend a week with Fergie at Harvard. Pay a $1m to get them to develop a plan and identify talent. What can't work is employing ex Players in the hope that they will become something that they have never been. The only asset currently in 'Knowing the Palace way' is to know what to avoid when it comes to building and maturing a club. Go and steal the architect for Southampton, or Spurs, or ..... I don't know what, but don't just carry on as we are.

Some of the phrases above are blunt in part to make the point and in part to avoid making the post even longer than it is.
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It's funny but I put together a long post based on something similar for the summer but I deleted it without finishing it in part because it was so long and SP announced what a wonderful squad of players we have and so seemed pointless. But the thought started with the squad badly needing a serious refresh because it has really been allowed to get into a poor state due to constant short term mgt. The idea that we shift out Benteke, Cabaye, Macca, Townsend, the FDB suggestions etc. to raise funds and rebuild the squad with younger high potential around Wilf. This would have been a risk for sure but with foreign loans, UK loans and maybe a top up we could with the new manager (at the time FDB pre-problems) I just thought it might have come off and over the next few years with careful squad management we could move up the table while changing the culture etc.

Obviously this is well and truly down the pan right now but maybe Hodgson can start that as he did with England, identifying the right potential and bringing them into the squad. Can't see him finishing the job though. So very similar to what you are suggesting in Jan.

My long term hobby horse has been our failure (over decades it seems) to hold onto a Manager and the turmoil that has caused. I am always told that isn't the modern way but that is by definition self fulfilling. Maybe the Sports Director is a start - but I just can't believe that DF is reasonable candidate. I hope I am wrong but what are the odds that our former (average by football standards) player who has failed to establish himself as a Manager anywhere or win anything suddenly (player or manager) emerges as the genius to architect us through that. Wonder what the odds will be. Also, if he does look like being at all successful, he has proven to us several times now that he will simply move on elsewhere for more cash.

I do think SP needs to go away somewhere and talk to non-Palace people and get his head well and truly out of his daily work. Spend a week with Fergie at Harvard. Pay a $1m to get them to develop a plan and identify talent. What can't work is employing ex Players in the hope that they will become something that they have never been. The only asset currently in 'Knowing the Palace way' is to know what to avoid when it comes to building and maturing a club. Go and steal the architect for Southampton, or Spurs, or ..... I don't know what, but don't just carry on as we are.

Some of the phrases above are blunt in part to make the point and in part to avoid making the post even longer than it is.
To be frank i think a lot of our comments are born out of frustration Martin, i felt after what the club had gone through prior to CPFC2010 taking over was then long gone, and felt finally there was a light at the end of the tunnel as far as Palace were concerned, but we just can't seem to learn from mistakes.
We seemed (hoping) to have turned the corner when first Pulis then Pardew then Allardyce and finally De Boer appointed, amazingly all of these changes happening in under 3 years, so is it any wonder no progress has been made and we find ourselves in this situation of uncertainty yet again, and in all honesty probably heading for relegation.
Hence why i feel maybe with Roy Hodgson who i accept is 70 yrs old, but has so much proven experience and quality at the highest level to offer, but is not appreciated by some due to that ICELAND horror, whilst forgetting he did take England in qualifying being unbeaten in 10 games.
But surely has so much that he can bring to Palace and also has an affinity with the club and would delight in making us a success, and will stay loyal providing we do the same.
It maybe as far as Palace is concerned we need to accept this decline has been a long time coming and he may not be our saviour this time in saving our premiership status due mainly to bad management planning.
That is why i suggested it may be time to accept our fate in January if it is to be so (hopefully not as there is still time) but then plan ahead by what i mentioned may be the way forward, who knows? but surely we can't keep on playing Russian roulette season after season, we need long term planning if we are to ever move forward.
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Old 19-09-2017, 06:37 PM
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To be frank i think a lot of our comments are born out of frustration Martin, i felt after what the club had gone through prior to CPFC2010 taking over was then long gone, and felt finally there was a light at the end of the tunnel as far as Palace were concerned, but we just can't seem to learn from mistakes.
We seemed (hoping) to have turned the corner when first Pulis then Pardew then Allardyce and finally De Boer appointed, amazingly all of these changes happening in under 3 years, so is it any wonder no progress has been made and we find ourselves in this situation of uncertainty yet again, and in all honesty probably heading for relegation.
Hence why i feel maybe with Roy Hodgson who i accept is 70 yrs old, but has so much proven experience and quality at the highest level to offer, but is not appreciated by some due to that ICELAND horror, whilst forgetting he did take England in qualifying being unbeaten in 10 games.
But surely has so much that he can bring to Palace and also has an affinity with the club and would delight in making us a success, and will stay loyal providing we do the same.
It maybe as far as Palace is concerned we need to accept this decline has been a long time coming and he may not be our saviour this time in saving our premiership status due mainly to bad management planning.
That is why i suggested it may be time to accept our fate in January if it is to be so (hopefully not as there is still time) but then plan ahead by what i mentioned may be the way forward, who knows? but surely we can't keep on playing Russian roulette season after season, we need long term planning if we are to ever move forward.
I am with you for sure. The main thing I think is that if the worst was to happen that we really are prepared to handle it and reclaim the top tier status. Clubs that don't come back risk a much deeper decline and I am not sure we have the fan base ready for that these days. Here's hoping that Roy works magic, but magic it must be I think.
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After our win last night I am starting to feel a lot more confident about staying up. Wagner said we came into the game completely differently, much more defensive and organised. If we can take this into the league now with West Ham and Newcastle coming up, then we could get to 15 points by New Year's Day.

If we have a real fighting chance at that point, we would be in a brilliant position to get some good talent and with a bit of luck sign them with half an eye on keeping them if we go down.
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To be fair 40m should be enough if we keep in touch with 4th place by Christmas.

Buys at least three decent players even in this market.
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To be fair 40m should be enough if we keep in touch with 4th place by Christmas.

Buys at least three decent players even in this market.
Just one problem with that, we still can't buy anyone until 1st January 2018 and if we're out of touch it'll cost us twice the going rate for players, because we'll be desperate and the selling club will scalp us like they did with PVA and Schlupp who simply weren't worth their fees, so our 40mil will only buy 20mil worth of players if we're lucky.
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Except we wouldn't. The players he did bring in were all young players with potential (Sakho was almost certainly a Parish signing)
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Except we wouldn't. The players he did bring in were all young players with potential (Sakho was almost certainly a Parish signing)
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I heard that RLC was also a club target rather than a De Boer target.
It's not what Steve P himself said in one of his recent interviews (sorry can't remember which one now) he listed RLC, Timbo and Jairo as ones FDB 'insisted on' and he was obviously pleased to get Sakho but wanted him from day one.
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What will be interesting is to see how the squad is shaping up in January. Obviously a goalkeeper would be great, but it's unlikely that we will get a decent one half way through the season - I think that may have to wait until the summer.
What I am hoping for are some young, hungry midfielders and wingers; we have enough experience in the squad. If we could sign RLC on a permanent (pipe dream I know) it would free up a loan slot for a striker. Maybe Danny Ings at Liverpool could be a possibility?
But would also like us to go for a young winger; someone like Demarai Gray or Adama Traore? We need to buy young, hungry players.
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We need a forward, I still think Mitrovic would be a good option. Obviously Cenk Tosun is still there but reports suggest his stock is going up. You've also got Jannssen at Tottenham.

Another winger is a priority, Traore is the Palace fit. He's quick, direct and can beat his full back. A similar player from what I've seen is Samuel Adegbenro Whos at Rosenborg. I know the club has been keeping tabs of him.

A keeper is still a priority, we've had Hennessey costing us for a while now we're being accustomed and familiar with it. I still believe Skorupski for half a season on loan is a great gamble.

I just hope we're eyeing these deals up now.

Trying to get RLC and TFM on permananet deals would be superb but I can't see those happening sadly.
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What will be interesting is to see how the squad is shaping up in January. Obviously a goalkeeper would be great, but it's unlikely that we will get a decent one half way through the season - I think that may have to wait until the summer.
What I am hoping for are some young, hungry midfielders and wingers; we have enough experience in the squad. If we could sign RLC on a permanent (pipe dream I know) it would free up a loan slot for a striker. Maybe Danny Ings at Liverpool could be a possibility?
But would also like us to go for a young winger; someone like Demarai Gray or Adama Traore? We need to buy young, hungry players.
It stil surprises me that nobody took the chance on Traore. He's raw but has huge potential with the speed and skill he possesses. Unsurprisingly, he's been tearing players apart in the Championship.

Weren't Barcelona being linked?
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It stil surprises me that nobody took the chance on Traore. He's raw but has huge potential with the speed and skill he possesses. Unsurprisingly, he's been tearing players apart in the Championship.

Weren't Barcelona being linked?
They sold him so might realise they had made an error. Was hoping we would try and sign some attacking options but we didn't and here we are.
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It stil surprises me that nobody took the chance on Traore. He's raw but has huge potential with the speed and skill he possesses. Unsurprisingly, he's been tearing players apart in the Championship.

Weren't Barcelona being linked?
Traore at Boro? Early last season he was being raved about hugely...... but as the season went on it was clear he actually wasnt that good. DIdnt he fail to score or provide an assist or some stat like that.
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