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Old 30-08-2017, 08:13 PM
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De Boer seems to freeze out some players he doesn't like. Mutch was put with the kids immediately and Williams and Delaney seem to be totally out in the cold as well. For Delaney that might be expected given his age (and Parish being nice giving him a new deal), but JW should be able to get a game in now he's healthy.

By all means, Mutch, Lee, Kelly and Sako should depart and Delaney too if there's a taker. I would expect JW to be shipped out on loan again, but there is no depth behind them. Our squad is so thin its embarrassing but Mutch at the very least should go.
Wiliams has been with the U23s to get match fit after nearly a year out. Interesting to see how he gets on for Wales this week.
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We will never be able to sell Mutch, Lee or Sako because they are on too much more money for anybody outside of PL to buy them, and they are clearly no use to a PL team.

We weren't even able to sell Zeki Fryers FFS!

Don't care what we pay players who obviously have a role to play in our squad. But we've made so many mistakes over the years.
Any idiot that had ever watched Fryers before he joined us would have known he'd struggle in the lower part of the Championship.I almost collapsed when we bought him.
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Williams is gash for **** sake, he's made of glass, why people think he's going to become a revaluation is beyond me, get rid along with the other deadwood we have
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I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.
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Difficult to cut out the deadwood when your transfer strategy is basically a single spin of the roulette wheel seconds before the casino closes.

If you work out with your manager what the club's long term footballing strategy is you should be able to get your Chief Scout to identify the best targets within the right budget, get them in and on the training ground for a whole preseason. The other similar sized clubs seemed to have done this. Then your risk is losing premium players near the close and you have a back up plan for dealing with that too.

It feels like this should be easy with a bit of thought. Maybe it isn't?
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Williams is gash for **** sake, he's made of glass, why people think he's going to become a revaluation is beyond me, get rid along with the other deadwood we have
I think most people just want to see another youth player come through our ranks and succeed. We saw something bright in Williams and unfortunate he's just been injured all the time. No harm in wanting to see a palace youth player push on.
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I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.
I've never really understood how players, not just at Palace, are allowed to hang around, unfit and draw big salaries.

I would have thought keeping fit and at a sensible weight when not actually injured should be a minimum contract requirement of a professional footballer.

We could all name a dozen or so, over recent years, who should fail that test.

Surely this should be a breach of contract, resulting in discipline and lost wages?
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I actually detest Sako more than Mutch. Mutch is very poor, but it's not his fault he was vastly overrated and given a silly contract. But Sako has/had ability & looked quality when he first joined- I really thought he would push Bolasie and Zaha for a starting role.

But whenever you see him he always looks fat, uninterested and lazy. He's all over Instagram posing, giving it peace signs, sitting on the team bus to another ganme where he won't feature, smiling from ear to ear on his 70k per week.

No desire to get fit, no interest in breaking into the team. Low standards, low self expectations, a complete waste of time and money, gleefully shitting his career away without a care in the world, totally unappreciative that he's in a career that most people would give their right arm for.
This!! Can't ******* stand Sako. Plays a couple of games in pre season, then gets injured, comes back looking 5st overweight, plays a couple of games, gets injured again normally in January so we can't get rid and then comes back to play a few games at the end of the season.

All for 50k a week!

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I think most people just want to see another youth player come through our ranks and succeed. We saw something bright in Williams and unfortunate he's just been injured all the time. No harm in wanting to see a palace youth player push on.

Absolutely not, but sadly don't think it will be him.
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I think most people just want to see another youth player come through our ranks and succeed. We saw something bright in Williams and unfortunate he's just been injured all the time. No harm in wanting to see a palace youth player push on.
And of course he is so "gash" that he is a full international who played a decent role in Wales getting to the SF of the Euros last year.
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Absolutely not, but sadly don't think it will be him.
He also was young enough not to be included in the squad for a long time. Now that's over I expect him to leave. I hope he goes somewhere and smashes it, I would be delighted. I imgaine he's on peanuts compared to Sako, Mutch and Chungster.
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He also was young enough not to be included in the squad for a long time. Now that's over I expect him to leave. I hope he goes somewhere and smashes it, I would be delighted. I imgaine he's on peanuts compared to Sako, Mutch and Chungster.

I'm all for youth pushing on, makes you sick when the likes of as you say sako Mutch etc are on hefty wages, think eventually he'll be sold to a championship club
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I have to say, regardless of the football, being paid to be in peak physical shape using the best equipment and with world class trainers and medical staff is the dream for most people.

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I'm all for youth pushing on, makes you sick when the likes of as you say sako Mutch etc are on hefty wages, think eventually he'll be sold to a championship club
But you called him gash!
He's not gash he's just incredibly injury prone.
Imagine having all that talent, which we all could see and when were we're in the champ he would have played a lot and come through. Instead we got promoted out of the blue and he's been lost in the cracks. He had that great season at Ipswich but yet again he got crocked
Got to admire him for keeping going and the Welsh team seem to appreciate him.
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I'm all for youth pushing on, makes you sick when the likes of as you say sako Mutch etc are on hefty wages, think eventually he'll be sold to a championship club
And yes you are right the combined wages of Mutch, Sako and Chungy compared to their games played and actual contribution is a joke.
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Our squad is not up to PL standard after 18 players. Mutch, Sako, Joniesta should be sold. We are now in a results business and the cost of wages for players not even on the bench needs addressing. We need an uplift in quality and even selling 4 players and getting some fees in and reducing wages would be worthwhile for bringing in one quality player i.e. Mama Sakho. We've been stuffed too by long term injuries to Wickham and Souare. At least Pape is back! All in all, an awful 21 months since Xmas 2015.
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The truth is much of the deadwood has gone. Only CYL and Mutch left. The key is not to add to it tomorrow with panic buys. Find someone who will take CYL on loan and someone who will take Mutch's wages on if we let him go on a free.

Sako I hope can be used as a squad player. On the white board he is FdB's backup for Benteke. Until Wickham comes back, fine by me if it saves us 10m+ on a 3rd choice striker once CW is fit. If we fail to sign deadwood, and just add Sakho and a keeper it will have actually been an excellent window.
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