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The Willian booking appeared to be done straight away by the ref with no need for a reference to VAR as he was certain and the VAR must have agreed there was no obvious error. It would again be helpful if the ref could explain his decisions at the end of the game so all viewers can be educated. |
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Edit - I would probably add that if the Willan thing and the Morata thing were both dives warranting bookings then Wilf will attract a lot of VAR bookings unless he changes things.
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Cant help thinking that VAR will not hep with the main decisions that have been affecting us most this season. In a nutshell., did he dive or washe pushed/pulled/tripped. Sort of a police case in a way. Pundits look at thes upside down, inside out, backwards, front on, you name it and still disagree among themselves. Till they decide on standards for what actually constitutes a foul these will keep happening. All the pundits are doing is muddying the waters. I think if the ref gets a 2nd look at it on a screen and makes his mind up thats the best we can hope for. Otherwise we could be there to 7 0 cl0ck on a saturday and none the wiser. I would lik to refer Mr Sutton to Bentekse fall against us for LIverpool a couple of years back and Owens fall to get a pen v Argentina, compare them with Zahas" worst dive ever" and compare and contrast. While people keep looking at these through both ends of the telescope it will be meaningless
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The other thing that I am 'not liking' about the VAR is that as implemented it's just fuelling the pundit focus even more on these incidents themselves (the very use of VAR) and I can't see it's healthy or helpful. It is early days but I can't see the media backing off their new toy.
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Well, it takes over a minute to come up with a decision. So in the meantime the game goes on and there could be fouls, bookings, goals etc and then someone says that it was offside a minute earlier after all. What happens then? Does the clock get re-set and everything that has happened since get wiped out?
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Everyone was obsessed with goal line technology but that barely gets mentioned any more. I see VAR eventually going the same way. It's just new at the moment and on everyone's radar.
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Spot on Cranesparkeagle. In football you are allowed to kick, trip, push or jump into people without it being a foul. In order for these to be a foul it has to be the opinion of the ref that it was done with carelessly, recklessly or with excessive force.
What you absolutely can not do is hold an opponent. To pull someone or a shirt, you must have hold. Many pundits with their "there was contact so you can go down..." don't seem to be aware of the laws. Last edited by dim; 18-01-2018 at 12:06 PM. |
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Not forgetting level is onside. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasnt there suppposed to be something about clear daylight to be offside. That original decision looked poor to begin with
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I can never find the rules or the right section but perhaps have a look later.
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I am saying the other group of potential fouls are all about the opinion of the ref wrt force, carelessness or recklessness.
Holding is an absolute no-no. So tugging involves holding and is a deffo foul. The others are opinion and only the ref's counts. A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force: • kicks or attempts to kick an opponent • trips or attempts to trip an opponent • jumps at an opponent • charges an opponent • strikes or attempts to strike an opponent • pushes an opponent • tackles an opponent A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following three offences: • holds an opponent • spits at an opponent • handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area) Last edited by dim; 18-01-2018 at 12:28 PM. |
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I think the Morata one was both a foul and a dive. A classic case of needing to fall over in order to get the right decision from the ref, because they hardly ever give fouls unless someone hits the deck.
The other interesting thing is that he got booked for diving and then sent off (presumably a straight red as I didn't see a second yellow shown) for dissent. Presumably, if the original decision had been overturned on review, the red card would have stood? |
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Goal line technology asks one question only and is cut and dried. It also takes mere seconds so the ball can barely be cleared out the box before the bleep comes in VAR could be asked untold questions. TBA after Bristol a few years back goal line technology was the only thing I wanted. I thinks refs assistants(why arent they ever assisting btw) and pundits need to bone up on what actually is a foul |
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Out of the whole game holding is the easiest foul to determine absolutely and appears to be the least enforced.
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Speed - Goal line tech is virtually instant. Clarity - Did it go over the line or not? Yes or no. That’s it. I think the next thing to come will be a tech similar to what they use on the goal line but for offsides. That will also be good as it’s clear cut - was the player offside or not? VAR on fouls just shows up that this is a game where a foul is not exactly clear. |
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