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Old 20-09-2017, 08:04 PM
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Madrid and Catalonia are the two richest and most privileged regions of Spain - Madrid has benefitted from the court and Catalonia from commerce.
Catalonia's rich want to pay less taxes and it has been dressed up in patriotic sentiment. You will find the discourse is dressed up in how much harder Catalans work and how much more serious and democratic they are and this plays well in the countryside. Puigdemont comes from this culture. The governing party in Madrid gets no votes in Catalonia and whips up nationalist fervour and votes with anti-catalan um, racism? Nationalism?
Both these sides benefit from this and I would suggest, nobody else does; and I would not be surprised if it ends in violence. It is all simply shit for the rest of us, and divisive shit at that.
There was an interesting analysis in the Times a few months ago, which said that it is a falacy that Catalonia is a rich province. According to that, it is no more than middling. Do you have any numbers ?
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Old 20-09-2017, 08:13 PM
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Old 20-09-2017, 08:16 PM
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I think 85% of Catalonia's GDP s generated in Barcelona, though. These guys propose that Barcelona separates from Catalonia: To view the link you have to Register or Login
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Old 20-09-2017, 08:19 PM
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Thanks, I guess they were talking PIB/capita.
Makes sense - in that case it is still in Champions' League places. The deal they want us the Pais Vasco deal (note their PIB and fiscal balance!).
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Spain giving everyone a reminder that until recently they were a fascist state with a leader so repugnant even Hitler didn't like him.

If these political arrests and repression of self-determination were happening anywhere else there would be resolutions to the UN for intervention.
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Old 21-09-2017, 06:27 AM
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I think that's a misreading of events. Catalonia has a massive degree of autonomy, to the point that you have to make a spectacular stretch to blame things going wrong there on Espanya. Spain has been free of dictatorship for 40 years. I think the ruling party has been errant in letting things get to this point, rather than doing a deal in a smoke filled room; but having got to this point, the judiciary could act in either of two ways - prevent the plebiscite before it happens, or after (given that the ruling party has stated that they will decree the secession the day after the vote).
I think if I were Rajoy I would have waited it out but you can see how this scenario plays better for him and his party, as well as for Puigdemont and his.
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Old 21-09-2017, 07:13 AM
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To be fair he may have been talking about Aznar. He was quite repugnant. Still is in fact.
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Old 21-09-2017, 07:20 AM
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Old 21-09-2017, 08:44 AM
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I thought it wouldn't be long before he stuck his oar in.
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Old 21-09-2017, 09:25 AM
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Old 21-09-2017, 09:49 AM
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You mean as in Madrid gathers taxes / pays public servants / they spend that money locally?
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Old 21-09-2017, 10:13 AM
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To be fair Spain is already a lot more decentralised than most countries and can go some way to placate Catalonia by allowing them to make a reduced net contribution. If that happens the EU could step in with further support to the poorer regions of Spain. Perhaps they could move some of the centralised EU functions to Badajoz or Elche?
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Old 21-09-2017, 10:28 AM
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On Catalonia, yes, they need a bribe, that would sort it.
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Old 21-09-2017, 10:44 AM
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Actually that is good. The three EU agencies in Spain are in Vigo, Seville and Alicante? Good bit of regional policy there. Let's have one in Castellon contados. We might then get a few more trains into Barca.
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Old 21-09-2017, 11:09 AM
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Alicante, Castellón......same difference innit?
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More importantly, what do the Catalans aim to do with football? Are there election posters with, We Demand Celtic Status for Barcelona?
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Does Valencia count as Catalonia?
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Spain giving everyone a reminder that until recently they were a fascist state with a leader so repugnant even Hitler didn't like him.
Hitler wasn't keen on Mussolini either. Not sure he had many mates now i think about it. Can't help but think the bloke was a bit of dick.
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