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Old 22-01-2017, 12:44 PM
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Entirely agree.

I think the documentary you may have watched was 'inside obamas white house' it ran for 4 episodes and was a fascinating window into US politics.

Obama was unable to work with the republicans in office in order to get the things that he wanted to get done / The republicans refused to work with Obama to allow him to get the things he wanted done

Perhaps I should have phrased my earlier comments more clearly.

I think that obamas presidency will be judged as a failure and one of lost opportunity.
Bit like Blair. Too much compromise in the early days whereas the Tories were quite happy to rip everything up day one.
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Old 22-01-2017, 01:40 PM
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weird speech from Trump at the CIA

going off on one about being on the cover of Time magazine 15 times

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Obama showing how it should be done. From 2009, he starts speaking at 5.50:

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Old 22-01-2017, 02:00 PM
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here's a quote from the guy who got chinned.
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Old 22-01-2017, 02:04 PM
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here's a quote from the guy who got chinned.
Shame it wasn't a baseball bat
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here's a quote from the guy who got chinned.
hmmm. if he really said that my 'no violence, free speech' call is, er, worthy of a rethink ! Tricky one. Where do you draw the line at 'free speech'
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Old 22-01-2017, 02:57 PM
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hmmm. if he really said that my 'no violence, free speech' call is, er, worthy of a rethink ! Tricky one. Where do you draw the line at 'free speech'
If you actively seek to construct arguments that try to legitamise a genocide, i think you're asking for a punch in the face.

I don't think "Free Speech" as a right is the ultimate, i think "free speech" is a responsibility. You are responsible for what you say as you are for your actions, you can choose to say what you wish, but if you are to use your free speech in the way he did, then you can't really complain or take umbridge.

I've seen so many Trump supporters, who banged constantly about free speech when using slurs, react with ire when that is used against them.

We've entered the age of complete identity politics, it filtered through the left and was adopted more destructively by the right.
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hmmm. if he really said that my 'no violence, free speech' call is, er, worthy of a rethink ! Tricky one. Where do you draw the line at 'free speech'
There should never be a line drawn.
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Old 22-01-2017, 03:47 PM
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Far right wankers who bang on about free speech just mean they want to be free to be racist . Free speech would be one of the first the things to go if they ever got near power.
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Comptete tosh. Display of solidarity, nothing good better to to do more like so jumped on the bandwagon. More woman voted for Trump then bothered to show up for a poxy march. It they wanted to protest perhaps they should have chosen a better cause then the democratly elected Trump in which MILLIONS of woman voted for him.
So demonstrating against a President that has consistently displayed misogynistic behaviour over many years is not worth protesting against. Admittedly Trump isn't going to change his behaviour but it makes it clear that many in society do not have to silently accept it. The more people speak out against prejudice and hate the better our society will be.
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hmmm. if he really said that my 'no violence, free speech' call is, er, worthy of a rethink ! Tricky one. Where do you draw the line at 'free speech'
Left of Hitler might be a starting point?
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American media attacking Trump's press secretary Sean Spicer for making a number of false claims about the size of the crowd at Friday's inauguration.

When interviewed Kellyanne Conway, counselor to President Trump, said the White House press secretary gave 'alternative facts'.

These people are unbelievable.
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American media attacking Trump's press secretary Sean Spicer for making a number of false claims about the size of the crowd at Friday's inauguration.

When interviewed Kellyanne Conway, counselor to President Trump, said the White House press secretary gave 'alternative facts'.


These people are unbelievable.
I'd say you couldn't make it up, but they just did!
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So what if Trump's crowd was less that Obama's. Washington and nearby New York are Democrat cities whilst Trump's supporters live further inland. Meaningless point scoring. The middle class liberal left should start developing policies to win back the (former) steel and coal communities whose towns have done less well. I doubt if the sneering "you're thick, racist and bigots" tactics will work in the US any better than in Britain.
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So what if Trump's crowd was less that Obama's. Washington and nearby New York are Democrat cities whilst Trump's supporters live further inland. Meaningless point scoring. The middle class liberal left should start developing policies to win back the (former) steel and coal communities whose towns have done less well. I doubt if the sneering "you're thick, racist and bigots" tactics will work in the US any better than in Britain.
This absolves those who voted for Trump DESPITE knowing what he was about of any responsibility for that. Trump voters enabled racism, Trump voters enabled the alt right black genocide dickheads. You can continue to lay blame at the door of the liberal left or you can face up to that fact.

People voted in the knowledge they'd possibly make life worse for others, intentionally.

I'm bored of this meaningless response, that says it's politicians fault we had to vote for a racist, you don't have to do anything, you made that choice.It's not politics as much as it's good manners.
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I doubt if the sneering "you're thick, racist and bigots" tactics will work in the US any better than in Britain.
Nope. Dont tell maz tho, he will have nothing to say on here ever again
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I'm not trying to get too deeply lost into moralizing the rights and wrongs of it all, just it's getting a bit tiresome how Trump supporters are acting playing the victim game
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just it's getting a bit tiresome how Trump supporters are acting playing the victim game
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This absolves those who voted for Trump DESPITE knowing what he was about of any responsibility for that. Trump voters enabled racism, Trump voters enabled the alt right black genocide dickheads. You can continue to lay blame at the door of the liberal left or you can face up to that fact.

People voted in the knowledge they'd possibly make life worse for others, intentionally.

I'm bored of this meaningless response, that says it's politicians fault we had to vote for a racist, you don't have to do anything, you made that choice.It's not politics as much as it's good manners.
They probably voted more likely for someone who has promised jobs. Can't see how he's going to achieve it but he's given them hope.
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