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Old 31-07-2016, 07:23 PM
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That's a very good report and interesting read. 1990-91 really was grim. Note the number of repossessions in those years. 80,000 in 1991.
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That is a number - in reality a family on a single blue collar income could afford to buy a house. Could that happen today?
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That is a number - in reality a family on a single blue collar income could afford to buy a house. Could that happen today?

In theory yes. If inflation surged then the Bank of England would raise interest rates until prices in the shops came down. Had the credit crunch not happened Trichet would have continued raising interest rates throughout 2008 and 2009 until inflation was ended. Goodness knows what would have happened to Ireland's housing market. Alternatively a house price collapse could push up rates for young families in negative equity. When your deal runs out and you have to renew nobody wants you if you are in negative equity so your existing provider just puts your rate up substantially to try to get rid of you.
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Free education for some, the vast majorty of us had to go out work and spend nights studying not enjoying life at university. The level of education I had at school was how to survive each day. So true yet then we faced mortgage rates so high that changed each month, suffered the wonders of negative equity. Final Salary Pensions which we contributed too all our working life.
My issue is the sense of entitlement the millennials, and maybe my generation gave them that, we were obsessive on aspiration we wanted to succeed. From our parents who turned round after the war and set about building a better place aspired for a fairer society. We learnt one thing you want something you needed to go out work for it. We aspired as well for a better life for our kids but the time comes when they need to take the next step on their own. They need to go out use the skills use the education the opportunity to forge the future, not sit behind a keyboard moaning they have nothing its everyone elses fault, go out and challenge it , change it. The I look a a Corbyn rally and think if the youth of today think thats the future the heaven help us what education did they get !!!!!

Worst post you've ever made, by far.

Would've posted Monty Python but it's been done.

And you can't even see the blindingly obvious, that your wonderful parents taught you to 'graft' blah blah, yet the next generation are lazy shits. If that's the case I blame the parents don't you?
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Most people I grew up with needed to go to work at 16 to earn money to help their parents pay the bills. It was a different era in South London back then. You did your apprenticeship earning a little money to support yourself and help the parents whilst learning your trade. Working in an office was similar as you started as a junior.
Was it a zero hour contract on minimum wage or 30 hours a week for no pay, just JSA, 'to gain experience'?
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Worst post you've ever made, by far.

Would've posted Monty Python but it's been done.

And you can't even see the blindingly obvious, that your wonderful parents taught you to 'graft' blah blah, yet the next generation are lazy shits. If that's the case I blame the parents don't you?
There in lies another problem as an old git I look at the opportunities that I never dreamed possible. Entitlement coupled with narcissism its everyone elses fault blame the older generation. I am arguing with the opportunities available the blame is not the older generations if you are not prepared to take it, but it does not fall into your lap, you take the opportunities and if you want to blame the older generation maybe there is one area, we were keen to remove the barriers we faced. In doing so the loss of the lesson we learnt to take the opportunities meant working for them.
A generation that want to return to the language of the 70's management establishment against the worker . The answer lays in the redistribution of wealth not through economic growth.
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There in lies another problem as an old git I look at the opportunities that I never dreamed possible. Entitlement coupled with narcissism its everyone elses fault blame the older generation. I am arguing with the opportunities available the blame is not the older generations if you are not prepared to take it, but it does not fall into your lap, you take the opportunities and if you want to blame the older generation maybe there is one area, we were keen to remove the barriers we faced. In doing so the loss of the lesson we learnt to take the opportunities meant working for them.
A generation that want to return to the language of the 70's management establishment against the worker . The answer lays in the redistribution of wealth not through economic growth.
Wow. If you are not prepared to take ...

1: no free university education - and instead a lifetime of debt
2: de- nationalised railways
3: an under funded nhs
4: de- nationalised energy supply
5: no final salary pensions
6: ability to buy a house at less than 9 times income.
7: a country that has sold everything of value it owns

You are narcissistic. The baby boomers ****ed this country for cheap taxes and high property prices. The quicker we can politicise the youth to unlock the triple lock, to means test national pensions, fuel allowance, etc etc, the better. It's frankly disgusting that people live in mortgage free, million pound houses and get a fuel allowance while everyone else struggles. All the time they vote to erode the rights that bettereted them in their youth. Disgusting.

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As the final kick in the ******* crotch they voted us to leave the EU. They voted en masse for Brexit. Why should they care, the wealthiest generation ever sitting on mortgage free goldmines, protected pensions, protected national pensions and energy allowance paid for. It's frankly revolting!

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The boorish sneering is continuing.
Was it a warning of what was to come?

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My issue is the sense of entitlement the millennials, and maybe my generation gave them that, we were obsessive on aspiration we wanted to succeed. From our parents who turned round after the war and set about building a better place aspired for a fairer society. We learnt one thing you want something you needed to go out work for it. We aspired as well for a better life for our kids but the time comes when they need to take the next step on their own. They need to go out use the skills use the education the opportunity to forge the future, not sit behind a keyboard moaning they have nothing its everyone elses fault, go out and challenge it , change it. The I look a a Corbyn rally and think if the youth of today think thats the future the heaven help us what education did they get !!!!!
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There in lies another problem as an old git I look at the opportunities that I never dreamed possible. Entitlement coupled with narcissism its everyone elses fault blame the older generation. I am arguing with the opportunities available the blame is not the older generations if you are not prepared to take it, but it does not fall into your lap, you take the opportunities and if you want to blame the older generation maybe there is one area, we were keen to remove the barriers we faced. In doing so the loss of the lesson we learnt to take the opportunities meant working for them.
A generation that want to return to the language of the 70's management establishment against the worker . The answer lays in the redistribution of wealth not through economic growth.
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Wow. If you are not prepared to take ...

1: no free university education - and instead a lifetime of debt
2: de- nationalised railways
3: an under funded nhs
4: de- nationalised energy supply
5: no final salary pensions
6: ability to buy a house at less than 9 times income.
7: a country that has sold everything of value it owns

You are narcissistic. The baby boomers ****ed this country for cheap taxes and high property prices. The quicker we can politicise the youth to unlock the triple lock, to means test national pensions, fuel allowance, etc etc, the better. It's frankly disgusting that people live in mortgage free, million pound houses and get a fuel allowance while everyone else struggles. All the time they vote to erode the rights that bettereted them in their youth. Disgusting.
Which is another point the quicker we can politicise the youth , to right get away from behind the computer screen and do something about it. They can make a difference but it involves something more than complaining posts on the Internet it involves walking to a polling station and putting a cross on a piece of paper. However thats to difficult for the majority they cannot vote by the Internet so they dont.
If you ask me I actually agree with some of your post I can argue the mortgage free homes were brought through hard work and sacrifice, but agree that the pandering of the Torys to the vote is obscene, fuel allowance is one example. I have argued on here regarding other examples. I would also say the basic for life heat light water no way should they be in private hands but state owned, but we fought the same row your having now with the older generation and lost to a Thatcher government as the alternative was unelectable. Its why I despair watching Corbyn. the one person or group that actually seems to have the young engaged is fighting a class war long since dead.
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I hadn't noticed that either! Still it does show that the boorish sneering (if such it is) is pretty even handed from pro and anti alike. As someone far nearer being a pensioner than otherwise I can see no justification for the unmeans tested benefits pensioners get or indeed the triple lock other than, of course, the fact that older people vote. I suppose the obvious answer to that is to get young people to vote - deregistering large numbers at university didn't help in that respect - just another way of disenfranchising them and protecting the grey vote I imagine.
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deregistering large numbers at university didn't help in that respect - just another way of disenfranchising them and protecting the grey vote I imagine.
I'd forgoten about that.
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Which is another point the quicker we can politicise the youth , to right get away from behind the computer screen and do something about it. They can make a difference but it involves something more than complaining posts on the Internet it involves walking to a polling station and putting a cross on a piece of paper. However thats to difficult for the majority they cannot vote by the Internet so they dont.
If you ask me I actually agree with some of your post I can argue the mortgage free homes were brought through hard work and sacrifice, but agree that the pandering of the Torys to the vote is obscene, fuel allowance is one example. I have argued on here regarding other examples. I would also say the basic for life heat light water no way should they be in private hands but state owned, but we fought the same row your having now with the older generation and lost to a Thatcher government as the alternative was unelectable. Its why I despair watching Corbyn. the one person or group that actually seems to have the young engaged is fighting a class war long since dead.
A class war long since dead? Tell that to Sports Direct and BHS employees and all the kids going hungry with their mothers going to the food banks. Pay for workers in the doldrums for years, the most draconian anti union laws in Europe, the longest working hours in Europe. Zero hours contracts, insecure work, crap pensions.
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A class war long since dead? Tell that to Sports Direct and BHS employees and all the kids going hungry with their mothers going to the food banks. Pay for workers in the doldrums for years, the most draconian anti union laws in Europe, the longest working hours in Europe. Zero hours contracts, insecure work, crap pensions.
Absolutely spot on with the issues.

But it's bugger all to do with 'class war'. That's history.
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Wow. If you are not prepared to take ...

1: no free university education - and instead a lifetime of debt
2: de- nationalised railways
3: an under funded nhs
4: de- nationalised energy supply
5: no final salary pensions
6: ability to buy a house at less than 9 times income.
7: a country that has sold everything of value it owns

You are narcissistic. The baby boomers ****ed this country for cheap taxes and high property prices. The quicker we can politicise the youth to unlock the triple lock, to means test national pensions, fuel allowance, etc etc, the better. It's frankly disgusting that people live in mortgage free, million pound houses and get a fuel allowance while everyone else struggles. All the time they vote to erode the rights that bettereted them in their youth. Disgusting.
1. Uni was for a privileged few, now its anyone with half a brain. Much fairer
2. Thank the lord for that, nationalised railways was all about decaying filthy trains and stations. You're prolly to young to remember.
3. No matter how much money the NHS has it will always be crying that its underfunded. Its a position rather than a fact.
4. No more blackouts and being held to ransom by unions. Hooray.
5. That is shame but nobody resisted the changes especially Gordon Brown when he started to plunder them.
6. Not sure who you are blaming for this. The failure to build is across all governments. I'm sure Jezzer will solve this (ha bloody ha).
7. I do agree with this not only in the actual sales but how they were done.

I can't be bothered with the rest, its just a list of things that could be titled "How to avoid being elected".
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As the final kick in the ******* crotch they voted us to leave the EU. They voted en masse for Brexit. Why should they care, the wealthiest generation ever sitting on mortgage free goldmines, protected pensions, protected national pensions and energy allowance paid for. It's frankly revolting!
Oi, I love my fuel allowance, tops up my lager budget just before Christmas.
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I hadn't noticed that either! Still it does show that the boorish sneering (if such it is) is pretty even handed from pro and anti alike. As someone far nearer being a pensioner than otherwise I can see no justification for the unmeans tested benefits pensioners get or indeed the triple lock other than, of course, the fact that older people vote. I suppose the obvious answer to that is to get young people to vote - deregistering large numbers at university didn't help in that respect - just another way of disenfranchising them and protecting the grey vote I imagine.
Oooh, that's a lovely bit of self-righteous posturing. Full marks 10/10, 100%, A+.

Now I'm sure you've made a large provision for your pension and don't need any help from the state and prolly just see it as more tax.

However, a lot of people have small pensions and need the state pension to top it up. Why bother with a small private pension if the result is that your state pension will be docked because you been stupid enough to save.

Means tested state pensions would only result in an even larger cost as no one in their right mind would save anything for their old age.
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My issue is the sense of entitlement the millennials, and maybe my generation gave them that, we were obsessive on aspiration we wanted to succeed. From our parents who turned round after the war and set about building a better place aspired for a fairer society. We learnt one thing you want something you needed to go out work for it. We aspired as well for a better life for our kids but the time comes when they need to take the next step on their own. They need to go out use the skills use the education the opportunity to forge the future, not sit behind a keyboard moaning they have nothing its everyone elses fault, go out and challenge it , change it. The I look a a Corbyn rally and think if the youth of today think thats the future the heaven help us what education did they get !!!!!
The entitlement of the baby boomers. Perfect.

I particularly liked your line about ppaying in to your final salary pension. Just like kids today pay in to their much shitter pensions, as they get taxed through the nose to pay for yours.
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