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Old 02-08-2016, 10:53 AM
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Playing devil's advocate here.....if you are born clever enough to go to university you are born lucky, in that aspect anyway. I would prioritise vocational training for the rest who don't go to university. You can improve lives more for them and it would cost less.
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The 8% in the 80s covered all higher education not just universities. For sure I agree the universities are rolling in it. Benefits to the student? all about the right degree at the right university and for sure many fell for it that a degree meant/means something - not all of them do.
I'm afraid it does. Any employer for white collar work will ask for a degree regardless so you HAVE to have it, and the subsequent debt, or you won't get an interview
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I'm afraid it does. Any employer for white collar work will ask for a degree regardless so you HAVE to have it, and the subsequent debt, or you won't get an interview
Not entirely true.There is a lot to be said for people who acquire good experience after leaving school at 16.
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The so called lazy lazy young brits wont wanna know, their pushy parents will force them into uni til "something decent" turns up.
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UK construction shrinks at fastest pace since 2009 after Brexit vote

The index measures new orders, deliveries and employment, among other things, and is considered a key indicator in the confidence of the construction sector.

Survey respondents noted that uncertainty following the EU referendum had dampened client confidence, led to greater risk aversion, and encouraged a wait-and-see approach to decision making.

There were some reports that demand had been more resilient to Brexit than expected. But just 15 per cent of firms reported higher activity in July against 23 per cent that reported a decline.

The figures deal a further blow to a sector that was already in recession in the second quarter and has been greatly underperforming the rest of the economy, Markit said.
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Absolutely, there is no doubt that most things are better today than in the 60's.
OK. You now have no house of your own. You graduated with 50k debt loan and landed a 28k job. Rent is 1200 per month.

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Not entirely true.There is a lot to be said for people who acquire good experience after leaving school at 16.
Oh yes. But you won't find.many job ads which don't ask for a degree.
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Not entirely true.There is a lot to be said for people who acquire good experience after leaving school at 16.
Been turned down for interviews a few times for not having a degree.
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Would be very hard to get a work visa abroad without a degree.
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Been turned down for interviews a few times for not having a degree.
Sorry to hear it.

I guess it depends on the vacancy of course, but I have always looked at a whole CV and seen people on that basis rather than just qualifications.

One of the brightest people I ever hired left school at 16 and went into the forces. He ended up as a company chairman.
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quite frankly when you work in the money markets, what use is Wordsworth ?
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Oh yes. But you won't find.many job ads which don't ask for a degree.
It's become the default and to be fair, a 'Degree' is now often a vocational qualification. Sadly, vocational qualifications and skills training has been a victim of dogma and status for years. We had a good national apprenticeship structure which could have been modernised and built on. Instead it was dismantled in the early eighties, because dogma dictated that trade unions should have no role in regulating the flow of labour and that it was for the market to dictate the demand and supply of skilled workers. The move to Unversity status by Polytechnics was argued for by academics who claimed it was essential that Polys were able to award their own degrees. But this resulted in a shift in focus and resources towards providing non vocational academic degrees. And today we have colleges of Further Education closing down because of a lack of funding. They provided training for new entrants and people in work who wanted to improve their skills or take on new ones. We've been cocking this up for decades.
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quite frankly when you work in the money markets, what use is Wordsworth ?
It could potentially save your life. Very high stress, competitive job, I would say Wordsworth might be far better for you in your downtime than cocaine or anti-depressants.
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Not entirely true.There is a lot to be said for people who acquire good experience after leaving school at 16.
I have to say that some of the graduates I've interviewed for admin jobs over the last few years have been piss poor. Give the impression that they're too good for the job and they're are doing me a favour turning up for the interview. One of them called me 'mate'. He had a very short hearing. My best administrator is a Bangladeshi woman who left school with no qualifications at all. She's a diamond. I've nothing against graduates - I'm one myself - but some of them really do seem to have very unrealistic expectations and poor social skills.

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Been turned down for interviews a few times for not having a degree.
I left school at 16 and I have never been turned down for not having a degree but I am guessing that I am a bit older than you and I think that helps. The problem you have is that we are coming to the point where all the people who are in charge of hiring have come through with degrees and think that anyone who does not have a degree is a thicko. This is another tool so the rich look after the rich so unless you want to work for the council, work in retail or work in the trades you need to have a degree
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OK. You now have no house of your own. You graduated with 50k debt loan and landed a 28k job. Rent is 1200 per month.

Good luck getting to where you are in life right now.
You do have to remember that when I was buying my first place home ownership was much lower than today. The figures recently being published are also comparing things to a peak at the end of the Thatcher period. Its not impossible to buy a place if you are prepared to move out a bit as many did when I was buying my first place. The home ownership problem is easing up already due to government action that increases costs for the buy to letter's. This will almost certainly continue as there's votes in home ownership for the tories. I don't see it as insurmountable or permanent. Champagne socialists with their holidays homes aren't helping either.

Uni degrees used to be for the very few, now they are for anyone that wants it. Yes it costs but its a life choice and you'll be better off with one. As for the 50k debt, I recently worked at a place where there were a number of younger staff, living at home and doing degrees. Presumably so as not to get into such debt.
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I recently worked at a place where there were a number of younger staff, living at home and doing degrees. Presumably so as not to get into such debt.
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Sorry to hear it.

I guess it depends on the vacancy of course, but I have always looked at a whole CV and seen people on that basis rather than just qualifications.

One of the brightest people I ever hired left school at 16 and went into the forces. He ended up as a company chairman.
Yes but he's not a melenial and today you're unlikely to be able to follow that path. Ok, the forces are more open but you'd need decent A levels and to pass entrance to get to Sandhurst and then you'd gain life experience, plus the army fund retraining for further careers usually in the form of a degree anyway.
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