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Old 03-01-2018, 10:59 PM
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Quite. There is no comparison.

We know Western governments cover up. What is less certain is that they conspire to kill thousands of their own citizens.
Deliberately obtuse and you know it.

We were discussing the less than thorough investigation into WT7 collapse by government-appointed experts.

I expect better of you TBH.
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So what precisely is it that this group of people are saying happened?

They are not coming up with any theories or saying what happened. Just questioning what was reported and asking for answers.
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Old 03-01-2018, 11:03 PM
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So what are they saying? And they do say there was government complicity before the event.
It's perhaps not surprising. But why is it that so many of those who accept the establishment narrative don't seem capable of following a link, or doing their own research, or even concentrating for a few minutes.
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Old 03-01-2018, 11:07 PM
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Why do many people with left wing politics in the West...especially those with "New Left" ideas, or soc.libs...show hostility to the idea that 9/11 was an inside job?

After all, this event led to USA, the beacon of capitalism, justifying more barbaric imperialist acts in Afghanistan & Iraq.

Why do they seem so against the idea that this event was a false flag to justify more wars for "the Man"?
I consider myself left-wing, but I do know exactly what you mean.

I suspect the most closed minded of all are generally centrists from the cosy centre ground. It's still ironic to see them so passionately defend the Bush government and the American military-industrial complex though.
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Old 03-01-2018, 11:11 PM
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I consider myself left-wing, but I do know exactly what you mean.

I suspect the most closed minded of all are generally centrists from the cosy centre ground. It's still ironic to see them so passionately defend the Bush government and the American military-industrial complex though.
they are basically Tories wearing pink ties.
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Old 03-01-2018, 11:12 PM
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Why do many people with left wing politics in the West...especially those with "New Left" ideas, or soc.libs...show hostility to the idea that 9/11 was an inside job?...
Your evidence of this is... where, exactly?
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I dare you. Watch this from 26.55, then come back and repeat the above.

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Ok, so i watched it all, most of it is laughable and he is looking for alternative explanations to the ones staring him in the face.

The only thing Id agree with, and id suggest many would support, is that OBL had little to do with it all. Thats not to say the US Government, and the hundreds of people that would have been involved (and subsequently stayed quiet), carried out an attack using bombs, aircraft and controlled demolitions of the WTC.
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Old 03-01-2018, 11:34 PM
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Your evidence of this is... where, exactly?
this thread for a start.
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Old 03-01-2018, 11:42 PM
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We know what happened on 9/11. We've had massive investigations and robust testing of everything from structural integrity to the terrorists planning and movements

You ignore it.

And instead choose to believe awful truther YouTube videos like Loose Change and Anatomy of a Great Deception, riddled with obvious factual errors and already debunked premises which for some bizarre reason you willfully ignore.
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Old 03-01-2018, 11:43 PM
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The key point - seeing as someone else posted this link but it seems to have been ignored or missed - is this.

“It turns out that the respected news agency Reuters picked up an incorrect report and passed it on. They have issued this statement:

"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."”

I’m sorry if such a mundane reason disappoints.


Not at all, it comes a long long way down the list of things that im bothered about, dredging included. I'm far more intrigued as to why Afghanistan and not Saudi Arabia was chosen as the revenge mission.
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"Why was Capt. Burlingame, a retired Military Officer with training in anti-terrorism, reported to have given up his airplane to 5 foot nothing. 100 and nothing Hani Hanjour holding a "boxcutter". (exaggeration added for size of Hani, he was tiny, lets just put it that way)."

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this thread for a start.
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It's perhaps not surprising. But why is it that so many of those who accept the establishment narrative don't seem capable of following a link, or doing their own research, or even concentrating for a few minutes.
the links you have provided are hardly convincing though are they.
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I It's still ironic to see them so passionately defend the Bush government and the American military-industrial complex though.
No thats just your paranoia coming through now because that is NOT what is happening on this thread. No wonder you appear confused.
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I consider myself left-wing, but I do know exactly what you mean.

I suspect the most closed minded of all are generally centrists from the cosy centre ground. It's still ironic to see them so passionately defend the Bush government and the American military-industrial complex though.
It is fairly bizarre given all the evidence against them. Obviously there is no 'left' in the US per se.. Sanders is perhaps the closest they have. I must admit i find the extremist neo libs on here to be the most contemptible group around, and im generally pretty easy going and tolerant when it comes to politics. Sort of.
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Timbo, as you deal with construction, I assume you would also have some knowledge of demolition. Perhaps you'd like to have a go at answering the question of how it would be possible to prepare an occupied building for demolition in secret.
Why do you assume that someone who has some modest knowledge about construction knows about demolishing buildings as well?

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The key point - seeing as someone else posted this link but it seems to have been ignored or missed - is this.

“It turns out that the respected news agency Reuters picked up an incorrect report and passed it on. They have issued this statement:

"On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."”

I’m sorry if such a mundane reason disappoints.
Don't you think it is worth questioning why any news organization would report that a 47 storey building has collapsed when it hasn't, and then that building does actually collapse 20 minutes later?
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I think he probably does. He's probably not the only one though. Choice of source is more important than actual truth to some it seems.
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