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You watched the Aluko interview and think she's telling the truth and not acting vindictively?
Katharine Newton is a well-regarded barrister and employment law (i.e. discrimination) specialist. She carried out an independent investigation into the allegations and didn't find in Aluko's favour.

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Aluko made the allegation ages ago, was dropped by Sampson for "unlioness like conduct" but never told what that was. Other players spoke in private to her about being uncomfortable with his behaviour towards them, so she persued it. She took the 80k in damages and signed some kind of temporary NDA, as to not damage England's chances at any of the major tournaments because playing for her country meant a lot to her and she wanted to stand by her team mates. Why would she torpedo her own career over nothing?
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Because that's got nothing to do with what I posted. I was merely backing up bourne man's post with an additional comment on how people appear to be acting on here.
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Something odd about all of this. The exception being of course that the FA seem to have handled it atrociously. That is par for the course.

I don't know if Sampson is a wrong'un or not. I don't know if Aluko is fibbing or not. However, this has the hallmarks of the FA now seeing Sampson as toxic and finding some reason somewhere (no doubt after consulting with their lawyers) to sack him.
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Aluko made the allegation ages ago, was dropped by Sampson for "unlioness like conduct" but never told what that was. Other players spoke in private to her about being uncomfortable with his behaviour towards them, so she persued it. She took the 80k in damages and signed some kind of temporary NDA, as to not damage England's chances at any of the major tournaments because playing for her country meant a lot to her and she wanted to stand by her team mates. Why would she torpedo her own career over nothing?
'other players told her in private' - yet have not come out publicly? Hmmm...

Her career is almost spent. she was 31/32 during the incidents, dropped by her club and as a fwd almost certainly in the twighlight of her international career regardless.

Fact that she has now garnered a media profile, and niche for her post playing legal career, should she wish to pursue that, is also pretty uncomfortbale IMHO.

Seems to me she has acted out of self interest and spite all along. I've seen her interviews and she comes across as vindictive and false. Frankly a lousy actress. The crocodile tears on that BBC piece were laughable.
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Aluko said she laughed at his alleged comment. 3 years later it brings her to tears in a interview. I'm not having it. I've been in plenty of dressing rooms... I've heard and been subjected to far worse.
Anyone that's played in a football team will have experienced similar stuff.
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'other players told her in private' - yet have not come out publicly? Hmmm...

Her career is almost spent. she was 31/32 during the incidents, dropped by her club and as a fwd almost certainly in the twighlight of her international career regardless.

Fact that she has now garnered a media profile, and niche for her post playing legal career, should she wish to pursue that, is also pretty uncomfortbale IMHO.

Seems to me she has acted out of self interest and spite all along. I've seen her interviews and she comes across as vindictive and false. Frankly a lousy actress. The crocodile tears on that BBC piece were laughable.
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Because that's got nothing to do with what I posted. I was merely backing up bourne man's post with an additional comment on how people appear to be acting on here.
How do people appear to be acting ? Some think she is taking the proverbial and some don't. It's called opinions. Just because someone's feeling is she is not genuine doesn't automatically mean they are racist and misogynistic.

I think Sampson is shifty. Don't know the guy but like everyone else I form an opinion only from what I see.

Why do you constantly feel the need to label people because of their view or opinion ?
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Aluko said she laughed at his alleged comment. 3 years later it brings her to tears in a interview. I'm not having it. I've been in plenty of dressing rooms... I've heard and been subjected to far worse.
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I am amazed how convinced some people are one way or another. I think only the various players and Manager know exactly what happened. And even they may genuinely interpreted the others actions or words falsely.

Generally people's comments shed less light on what happened but shine brightly on their own agenda's
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The whole case sets a pretty terrible example to others. If you can claim to be one of any of the Identity Politics groups of choice, you can pursue anyone in the workplace over the slightest of claims, earn yourself a substantial pay off, and bring down your boss, all the while being a 'brave victim' in the eyes of the wider media.
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How do people appear to be acting ? Some think she is taking the proverbial and some don't. It's called opinions. Just because someone's feeling is she is not genuine doesn't automatically mean they are racist and misogynistic.

I think Sampson is shifty. Don't know the guy but like everyone else I form an opinion only from what I see.

Why do you constantly feel the need to label people because of their view or opinion ?
There are shades of grey to everything. That includes discrimination. Do I think people are being obviously and overtly mysogynistic? Of course not. But people, including myself, will have pre existing beliefs and thoughts about everyone, be it a black woman or a white man. Subconsciously, these views will seep into there views and beliefs. It's just the way they were raised.

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There are shades of grey to everything. That includes discrimination. Do I think people are being obviously and overtly mysogynistic? Of course not. But people, including myself, will have pre existing beliefs and thoughts about everyone, be it a black woman or a white man. Subconsciously, these views will seep into there views and beliefs. It's just the way they were raised.

Questioning those beliefs is important and sometimes those views need to be challenged.
I think you underestimate human nature in people, and I sense you tar people with the same brush which is rather sad, questioning the way people have been raised is even more ridiculous and irrelevant.

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