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Try reading what you've written - you did post about motorists.
No ; I posted about car drivers' law.

This is a thread about cyclist scum.

Nice attempt to Stevejack though. Although not entirely appropriate.
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No ; I posted about car drivers' law.

This is a thread about cyclist scum.

Nice attempt to Stevejack though. Although not entirely appropriate.
Not a stevejack at all, Maz. You talked about a charge for 'motorists' and a charge for 'cyclist scum'. Spot the difference?

As for the real issue - I have already posted my view. If the case if proven, then this man's actions were appalling. But that no more makes all cyclist 'scum' than all bus passengers 'scum' because one murdered someone once.
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Not a stevejack at all, Maz. You talked about a charge for 'motorists' and a charge for 'cyclist scum'. Spot the difference?
Yes.

One can be charged with manslaughter but we don't know if the latter can.
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You may find it a laughing matter, but I don't.

But I might have expected you to ignore the story in favour of a personal attack.

Not even a tiny bit embarassed by your gags?
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Now here is a case from earlier this year.

A speeding driver who was sending a text message when she hit and killed a teenage cyclist was today jailed for four years.




Hotel manager Kiera Coultas, 25, was replying to a message on her mobile phone when she hit scaffolder Jordan Wickington, 19.

The teenager, who was not wearing a cycle helmet, stopped at the traffic lights momentarily and went through them on red.


Apart from showing our cyclist chums (I hope) the perils of going through red lights (as if they need to be told), it also shows that car drivers are subject (rightly imo) to punitive law.

Let's hope that - if guilty - this particular cyclist scum gets jail, not a fine. Anything else would not be justice.
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There was no gag

You seem to want to think it's OK for cyclist scum to kill someone.
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Yes.

One can be charged with manslaughter but we don't know if the latter can.
No, one can be charged with 'causing death by dangerous driving'. I suspect either can be charged with manslaughter (in fact - if either can't, it's more likely to be the motorist on the basis there is a different specific offence).
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Yes.

One can be charged with manslaughter but we don't know if the latter can.
what was the charge that the cyclist who killed someone while riding on the pavement was facing before being let off on mental health issues. Trial around christmas last year ?
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Now here is a case from earlier this year.

A speeding driver who was sending a text message when she hit and killed a teenage cyclist was today jailed for four years.




Hotel manager Kiera Coultas, 25, was replying to a message on her mobile phone when she hit scaffolder Jordan Wickington, 19.

The teenager, who was not wearing a cycle helmet, stopped at the traffic lights momentarily and went through them on red.


Apart from showing our cyclist chums (I hope) the perils of going through red lights (as if they need to be told), it also shows that car drivers are subject (rightly imo) to punitive law.

Let's hope that - if guilty - this particular cyclist scum gets jail, not a fine. Anything else would not be justice.
doesnt it say he was killed ?

The cyclist jumping red lights is wrong, but it doesnt excuse a driver reading text messages while driving a motorized 2 tonne lump of steel.
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Now here is a case from earlier this year.

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Apart from showing our cyclist chums (I hope) the perils of going through red lights (as if they need to be told), it also shows that car drivers are subject (rightly imo) to punitive law.

One of the few cases where a driver is actually punished for killing someone.
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I wonder if the driver would've been killed if the situation were reversed? No, thought not.
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I wonder if the driver would've been killed if the situation were reversed? No, thought not.
That's not the point. Just because cars kill thousands every year doesn't mean we should get away from the main point that a cyclist has actually killed one person, the f ucking c unt. Mental illness my @rse.
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There was no gag

You seem to want to think it's OK for cyclist scum to kill someone.


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what was the charge that the cyclist who killed someone while riding on the pavement was facing before being let off on mental health issues. Trial around christmas last year ?
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I can't find any link to it. A desperate search on the Super Soaraway Sun had this:

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but that's an old case where it seems the fella was charged with 'wanton or furious cycling'(?)

I assume there'll be more on the recent case over the coming days.
the same on i think . I mentioned it months ago , but no one picked up on it . It looks like a lot of internet searching has been done by someone to make a point and heap all cyclists in the same basket.
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the same on i think . I mentioned it months ago , but no one picked up on it . It looks like a lot of internet searching has been done by someone to make a point and heap all cyclists in the same basket.
Or saddlebag.
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One of the few cases where a driver is actually punished for killing someone.
Actually that's not true. It's so far from the truth that it shows you are willing to post lies in order to further your point, which is sad.

As Steve said there is a very specific motoring offence (in the UK) - 'causing death by dangerous driving'.

Meanwhile if a cyclist kills someone no such charge can be applied.

The father of a 17-year-old girl who was fatally injured in a collision with a cyclist has said it is "laughable" the man has only been fined.

Mick Bennett said Jason Howard should have faced manslaughter charges and been jailed for several years over Rhiannon Bennett's death in April 2007.

Howard was an "arrogant and vile little man", Mr Bennett said outside court.

Howard, 36, of Buckingham, was fined £2,200 on Tuesday after being convicted of dangerous cycling in the town.


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I really don't understand why it needs a different charge and why manslaughter couldn't be applied (same for death by dangerous driving, really).
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I really don't understand why it needs a different charge and why manslaughter couldn't be applied (same for death by dangerous driving, really).
I presume that the nature of the offence is too different, but confess that I don't know.

Our law currently states for the motoring offence a person is to be regarded as driving dangerously if the standard of driving falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver and it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous..

You can see simply from the framing of the words (and this is a summary) that this is a very different thing to manslaughter. We need a similar law for cycling dangerously.
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I'm a cyclist, but people who cycle on pavements or treat pedestrians or other road users as people who are an irritating obstruction really make me angry.
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Actually that's not true. It's so far from the truth that it shows you are willing to post lies in order to further your point, which is sad.


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The law needs changing urgently.
Really. I was reading recently that there are times when a motorist is in court for a violation when the presiding judge is unaware that someone has actually been killed in the incident as it is not relevent to the violation.

I agree that people should be accountable for their actions -- the change in the law of course must include people running on pavements who may knock someone over.
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