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Old 26-09-2016, 10:45 PM
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Single parents, at the time they move onto Jobseekers Allowance, get exactly the same support as anyone else (fortnightly appointments with, if you're lucky, a half-interested Jobcentre advisor).

Is it therefore barbaric to ask anyone to look for work?

Genuinely curious. Lord knows I'm happy to criticise the Jobcentre, but the policy (that single parents should have to actively start looking for 16 hours a week once their youngest is in full time education) seems fine to me.
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I am middle class, went a grammar school and then a boarding school.

Does the fact I now deliver take away food for a living let me off the hook for being so priviledged?

I ask I am a little paranoid that come the revolution I wil be amonst the first to be put up against the wall.

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Old 26-09-2016, 10:59 PM
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I am middle class, went a grammar school and then a boarding school.

Does the fact I now deliver take away food for a living let me off the hook for being so priviledged?

I ask I am a little paranoid that come the revolution I wil be amonst the first to be put up against the wall.

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Old 26-09-2016, 11:32 PM
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Old 26-09-2016, 11:48 PM
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Single parents, at the time they move onto Jobseekers Allowance, get exactly the same support as anyone else (fortnightly appointments with, if you're lucky, a half-interested Jobcentre advisor).

Is it therefore barbaric to ask anyone to look for work?

Genuinely curious. Lord knows I'm happy to criticise the Jobcentre, but the policy (that single parents should have to actively start looking for 16 hours a week once their youngest is in full time education) seems fine to me.
Yes of course people with more needs, need more support. As said the hounding comments were about both single parents and people with disabilities. The new labour policy led straight in to the Tory policy. The misery and suicides have just escalated. Yes I think it's a barbaric policy. As was new labour shutting down Remploy factories.

Of course that doesn't mean it's barbaric to ask anyone to look for work you moronic guardinista ****wit.
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I am middle class, went a grammar school and then a boarding school.

Does the fact I now deliver take away food for a living let me off the hook for being so priviledged?

I ask I am a little paranoid that come the revolution I wil be amonst the first to be put up against the wall.

******* class war nonsense
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Old 26-09-2016, 11:50 PM
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Old 27-09-2016, 06:03 AM
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Old 27-09-2016, 06:55 AM
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Yes of course people with more needs, need more support. As said the hounding comments were about both single parents and people with disabilities. The new labour policy led straight in to the Tory policy. The misery and suicides have just escalated. Yes I think it's a barbaric policy. As was new labour shutting down Remploy factories.

Of course that doesn't mean it's barbaric to ask anyone to look for work you moronic guardinista ****wit.
You seem very keen to avoid answering a fairly simple question. You've said that expecting single parents to look for 16 hours work once their youngest is in full time education is barbaric, but I want to know at what point you would expect them to look for work.

Did you support the previous Tory policy of single parents staying on income support till their youngest was 14?
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Old 27-09-2016, 06:57 AM
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Old 27-09-2016, 07:40 AM
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You seem very keen to avoid answering a fairly simple question. You've said that expecting single parents to look for 16 hours work once their youngest is in full time education is barbaric, but I want to know at what point you would expect them to look for work.

Did you support the previous Tory policy of single parents staying on income support till their youngest was 14?
This is typical you with your squirming around. The whole point of the hounding posts was about the reality of new labour and Tory policy. You ignored the impact on disabled people entirely and then go on your student debating path. It's pathetic.

The whole point is that benefits should not be withdrawn, support and job opportunities should be given and enough support given that enables those jobs to be taken. If you think that was the case with the new labour and Tory policies you're even more vile than I thought you were.
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Old 27-09-2016, 07:57 AM
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This is typical you with your squirming around. The whole point of the hounding posts was about the reality of new labour and Tory policy. You ignored the impact on disabled people entirely and then go on your student debating path. It's pathetic.

The whole point is that benefits should not be withdrawn, support and job opportunities should be given and enough support given that enables those jobs to be taken. If you think that was the case with the new labour and Tory policies you're even more vile than I thought you were.
I'm not remotely "squirming", I'm sticking to a single point, because experience has shown any wiggle room and you will use it to avoid answering.

I am very happy to talk about disability (I think incapacity benefit was monstrous), but not until you've given a straight answer on single parents.

You've said the New Labour policy to move single parents from income support to Jobseekers Allowance, and ask them to look for 16 hours work when their youngest child started full time education was barbaric.

All I want to know is what you think the point single parents should be expected to start actively looking for work should be. Why is that so hard for you to give a straight answer to? It's not a trick question.
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Old 27-09-2016, 08:38 AM
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Cockney has given you the answer Heb - it depends on the level of support. A few pages back, SE25 gave real world illustration of the point, talking about his daughter who relies on the family for child care so she can work. Without that support, the state forcing her into work or cutting her benefits would be cruel to both her and the kids.

When Cooper brought in the harsher tests, it was part of New Labour trying to be tough on scroungers as ordered by the Mail and Sun, though there was more support available than now - classic Tory lite triangulation. Disability and mental health groups warned her of the disastrous consequences measured in hundreds, possibly thousands of deaths. No worries though eh, cos she's a moderate.
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Old 27-09-2016, 08:53 AM
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Cockney has given you the answer Heb - it depends on the level of support. A few pages back, SE25 gave real world illustration of the point, talking about his daughter who relies on the family for child care so she can work. Without that support, the state forcing her into work or cutting her benefits would be cruel to both her and the kids.

When Cooper brought in the harsher tests, it was part of New Labour trying to be tough on scroungers as ordered by the Mail and Sun, though there was more support available than now - classic Tory lite triangulation. Disability and mental health groups warned her of the disastrous consequences measured in hundreds, possibly thousands of deaths. No worries though eh, cos she's a moderate.
He hasn't given me an answer, and nor is that one. He's squirmed and avoided and now you've popped up to try and give him some cover.

I said in a previous answer that I'm more than happy to criticise the Jobcentres, but that's operation, not policy.

The policy change was to move single parents from income support to Jobseekers Allowance when their youngest was 4 instead of 14. The support received once you were on Jobseekers was the same, so it's not a variable in the question. If the support was poor it was poor for single parents moving on to Jobseekers when their youngest was 14, just as it was when their youngest was 4.

The claim was that asking single parents to look for 16 hours work a week when their youngest started started full time education was barbaric, and hounding. If, as you claim, it's because of the support then logically by your rationale asking them to look for work when their youngest was 14 was barbaric and hounding.

Which is bonkers.

Happy to get into the operational detail of how support should be structured, but there has to be a clear policy on when as a society we have an expectation that the vast majority of single parents should be expected to start actively looking for work.

Neither cockneyrebel nor you seem to be prepared to say what that should be.
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Old 27-09-2016, 09:02 AM
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As a reminder, this specifically is what cockneyrebel mocked by posting the slogan from Auschwitz

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I do not see what is wrong with expecting those single parents and (as you called them) the semi disabled that are able to work to do some work. It should be the expectation. Working is good for you.
But the expectation that single parents (the point I am sticking to) and those not badly disabled (which I am happy to move on to after I've got a straight answer on single parents) should do some work where they are able to seems entirely reasonable to me. It should be the expectation.

And 16 hours a week, once your child is in full time education, does not strike me as a barbaric thing for society to expect you to look for.
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Old 27-09-2016, 09:13 AM
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