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Old 28-09-2016, 11:30 AM
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The book Austerity ' by the Canary's editor Kerry-anne Mendoza is a well researched and annotated tome that includes a lot about banking practices that raises a few eyebrows.
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Old 28-09-2016, 11:40 AM
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I thought Michael Crick was a bit naughty last night asking Labour figures about grammar schools. He didn't mention HH the feminist who was living in Herne Hill at the time sending her son to St Olave's in Orpington. Surely there must have been decent schools in the Labour boroughs near her home?
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Old 28-09-2016, 12:09 PM
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Its like June 23rd never happened in Labour world.

And they want to reconnect with the working classes?
And there you were telling us that it wasn't about immigration itself, just the sacred principle of the UK having its hands on the controls.

Tremendous that Corbyn is holding the line on this, shows real political courage and leadership. It also happens to be the right policy for the economy, as the Labour right and Tory left know, but are now too cowardly to say openly. Tactically, it's fine, too, as close the borders types would never have believed him if he'd suddenly discovered his inner anti migrant anyway.
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And there you were telling us that it wasn't about immigration itself, just the sacred principle of the UK having its hands on the controls.
I am not leading the Labour Party. I am not the one with my party getting absolutely tonked in all the opinion polls. I am not the one with a political party that has a massive problem with its disconnect to its core working class vote.

I don't give a shit about migration.

But Corbyn is a joke. No wonder 80% of his own MP's tried to oust him.
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Tremendous that Corbyn is holding the line on this, shows real political courage and leadership. It also happens to be the right policy for the economy, as the Labour right and Tory left know, but are now too cowardly to say openly. Tactically, it's fine, too, as close the borders types would never have believed him if he'd suddenly discovered his inner anti migrant anyway.
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Old 28-09-2016, 12:22 PM
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It appears to me that too many within the plp, following this second endorsement of Corbyn by the membership, have not let go of all their anger/concerns. to a sufficient level, over what has happened in the last year, to really create a situation where the party can ever be seen as uniting in a common cause of taking on the Tory Government.

Unless heads are knocked together very quickly it is hard to see how the party will remain as one, and be seen as anything other than unelectable.

It has been a long drawn out suicide by those within the Labour party.
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It appears to me that too many within the plp, following this second endorsement of Corbyn by the membership, have not let go of all their anger/concerns. to a sufficient level, over what has happened in the last year, to really create a situation where the party can ever be seen as uniting in a common cause of taking on the Tory Government.

Unless heads are knocked together very quickly it is hard to see how the party will remain as one, and be seen as anything other than unelectable.

It has been a long drawn out suicide by those within the Labour party.
Of course they haven't. They believe rallying behind Corbyn does nothing to change the unelectability and ongoing self-harm. If that's the case, why do so?
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Old 28-09-2016, 12:43 PM
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It appears to me that too many within the plp, following this second endorsement of Corbyn by the membership, have not let go of all their anger/concerns. to a sufficient level, over what has happened in the last year, to really create a situation where the party can ever be seen as uniting in a common cause of taking on the Tory Government.

Unless heads are knocked together very quickly it is hard to see how the party will remain as one, and be seen as anything other than unelectable.

It has been a long drawn out suicide by those within the Labour party.
I must admit that I was sceptical that they'd all accept democracy. Those creating still are the ones that need removing, for the good of the party.
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Old 28-09-2016, 12:57 PM
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I must admit that I was sceptical that they'd all accept democracy. Those creating still are the ones that need removing, for the good of the party.
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Old 28-09-2016, 01:05 PM
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Of course they haven't. They believe rallying behind Corbyn does nothing to change the unelectability and ongoing self-harm. If that's the case, why do so?
Well that appears to be the case, hence why the party is ****ed as the divisions appear to be too great to resolve.

If the Labour party is to survive, people have to let go of past issues. It appears too many do not have this mindset.
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Tremendous that Corbyn is holding the line on this, shows real political courage and leadership. It also happens to be the right policy for the economy, as the Labour right and Tory left know,
Kill me now. I am not sure if agreeing with EWMG or the dear leader himself hurts me more.
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Stop expecting stuff to happen too soon. It won't, and probably will get worse before it gets better. Its the constant "unelectability"jibe that is getting to grind a bit now.

Of course the Labour party is unelectable at the moment, too much change is going within, and too much division still exists. Forget the friggin polls, we know they are not looking good for Labour. What is important is what shape the party will take in the future, and whether or not it will radically change to offer a genuine alternative to the right. How long is it going to take? Probably beyond 2020, so we are going to lose that election. But 2025 is another matter, yes its a long way off, but as the Brexiters said about the fallout of leave, it is a price well worth paying.
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Yep. Time to kick back Jezza.
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I'd be more interested in seeing her comment on her shoddy "pay per click" business model for the Canary, which naturally incentives people to write click bait bollocks.
She did on the today programme this week. She said (and I paraphrase) that's bollocks, details of how the site runs is on the site.

However, you are deflecting from the thrust of the post with whataboutery. Tis a shame as I thought you were better than that.
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Stop expecting stuff to happen too soon. It won't, and probably will get worse before it gets better. Its the constant "unelectability"jibe that is getting to grind a bit now.

Of course the Labour party is unelectable at the moment, too much change is going within, and too much division still exists. Forget the friggin polls, we know they are not looking good for Labour. What is important is what shape the party will take in the future, and whether or not it will radically change to offer a genuine alternative to the right. How long is it going to take? Probably beyond 2020, so we are going to lose that election. But 2025 is another matter, yes its a long way off, but as the Brexiters said about the fallout of leave, it is a price well worth paying.
Are you saying that the Labour party will be able to stay as one political force, while it resolves all the infighting and division until the lead up to 2025?

If it does actually take till then the electorate will have already moved on, and found another party to put their faith in and will leave the Labour party behind.
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She did on the today programme this week. She said (and I paraphrase) that's bollocks, details of how the site runs is on the site.

However, you are deflecting from the thrust of the post with whataboutery. Tis a shame as I thought you were better than that.
I have not read the book, so I'm afraid am unable to contribute on that score, so I just gladly took the opportunity to highlight that the Canary is as woefully shit as the Daily Star

Private Eye, as ever, is rather good on it if you fancy a read.
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And there you were telling us that it wasn't about immigration itself, just the sacred principle of the UK having its hands on the controls.

Tremendous that Corbyn is holding the line on this, shows real political courage and leadership. It also happens to be the right policy for the economy, as the Labour right and Tory left know, but are now too cowardly to say openly. Tactically, it's fine, too, as close the borders types would never have believed him if he'd suddenly discovered his inner anti migrant anyway.
More disaffected Labour voters for UKIP then. Christmas come early. You wouldve thought Corbyn wouldve learnt from Labour referendum vote. Corbyn has a few holes in his labour boat but refuses to plug any of them.
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Well that appears to be the case, hence why the party is ****ed as the divisions appear to be too great to resolve.

If the Labour party is to survive, people have to let go of past issues. It appears too many do not have this mindset.
Personally, I'd say that goes for everyone in the room. Everyone needs to change. Don't see why the onus should rest solely on the non-Corbynites; the greater part, aye, but not the whole. They won't though.

Which is why the current state of play continues until one side or the other scores a gigantic knock out blow, or a leader comes along who's so great that he somehow shuts them both up. Holding my breath I won't be.
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Personally, I'd say that goes for everyone in the room. Everyone needs to change. Don't see why the onus should rest solely on the non-Corbynites; the greater part, aye, but not the whole. They won't though.

Which is why the current state of play continues until one side or the other scores a gigantic knock out blow, or a leader comes along who's so great that he somehow shuts them both up. Holding my breath I won't be.
I said before the Leadership context there was only one way out - Corbyn to step down voluntarily naming a mutually acceptable successor.

Once he didn't, Labour were stuffed.
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