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The offside law states any part of the body apart from the arms and hands is offside. Therefore it will be few times when the players are level. Clear daylight isn't mentioned.
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Wilf will need to ensure there is contact or he is impeded before he goes down rather than anticipating a foul. |
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I am a supporter of VAR, but for it to succeed there has to be more clarity on the interpretation of the rules.
In both incidents last night there was contact, but not enough to bring the player down or substantially impede his progress. Shearer and company may say this entitles the player to go down to "win" the penalty. The only reason they did not try to justify Morata for doing this was the delay before he threw himself to the ground. In both cases the player could have stayed on his feet but chose not to, so that surely means they were dives ? The question of whether an attacker deliberately trails a leg to induce the contact has also to be considered. Until the criteria for these decisions are clearly defined there will always be disagreement
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For example, a player goes down in the box and the ref waves play on. The defending team breaks away and someone stops the counter-attack Puncheon style. The ref shows a red card. By this time someone watching the video in London says the incident in the box was a definite penalty. Is the sent off player reprieved or does the red card stand? |
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Within the laws of the game there are also directives, longer than the Laws thanselve sometimes one of which I believe was one about clear daylight. May be thats now gone. Have to credit Moss for once on this one. He overrode his assistant and went to the pictures. Totally corrrect to do so |
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Should listen to talk sport Adrian Durham is hysterical. The man changes his opinions more frequently than his underwear. He thinks Morata was fouled. Who are we to decided how much he was affected by hand on shoulder or how much Willian was affected by touch. But always says wilf always dives!! It's comically embarrassing. Its what happens when big teams get caught out i suppose.
Last edited by Lombardo's hair; 18-01-2018 at 05:41 PM. |
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Bit concerned about your 2nd paragraph. Wilf as far as i am aware doesnt go down without any contact so thats a mute point. Howveasy he goes down when there is is debatable. It should also be noted that he is often impeded clipped and kicked where he doesn't go down. Noted such an occasion on Saturday he was obstructed clipped and had his shirt pulled before ref gave free kick for trip
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Morata was impeded by the defender holding his shoulder, if it was a Palace player our supporters would look at it differently, What happened after the initial contact is a separate incident.
Truth is that if you are fouled and manage to stay on your feet, its not a penalty,what a farce! I am not a fan of Chelsea but I would have felt aggrieved if that was a Palace player. Referees are as guilty as players and so much goes on in football that causes confusion, When Palace played Brighton in the league a player I think his name is Sutter fouled and obstructed our players in his penalty area, yet was ignored, Refs often quote the laws of the game but until they act correctly as they started to with holding and shirt pulling none of these issues will be resolved. |
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VAR is still going to be objective to the person making the decision. Albeit that the opportunity exists to analyse the particular incident, it is still about opinion, not fact. I am not sure it will solve anything and personally, I'd rather not have it. |
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If refs and linos consistently have their decisions overruled will they get dropped from the elite list? I suspect not!
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Therefore VAR will solve something and already has so in fact you should be sure VAR will solve something and will continue to do so. And as a result, at least one mistake has been taken out of the game. The fact that VAR will be subjective on penalties doesn't make the decision any worse than it would be if we didn't have VAR in the first place. |
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I also think the review of goals should be limited to say 10 seconds prior to the ball hitting the net rather than going back to the start of the move. My objection is that, as fans, we will never be certain a goal will stand, which will ruin the feeling when our team scores, because we won't know if there was something that happened up the other end that could get spotted. If we limit the review so that it's not much more than the final ball and the finish we will know whether it's dubious or a clear goal and usually be able to celebrate as usual. |
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It will kill the fluidity that we all love.
What would be better would be for players and coaches in academies to be given sporting ethics lessons as one of the conditions of being categorised. |
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You could hear one of the Palace coaches appealing for decisions and moaning at the ref all the time. Not a great role model in that regard and I expect it was counter productive as the officials probably just tuned him out. |
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