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Anything that is a 50/50 decision will be given to the big team. When the away team scores at Old Trafford, the video ref will go over every single bit of footage in the build up to the goal looking for the tiniest indiscretion. ‘Goal disallowed as the player taking the throw-in 45 seconds beforehand had a toe over the line.’ Do not be fooled into thinking this will level the playing field. It will just make it worse. |
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The offside thing also needs to be similar to goal line tech - automated quick decision. |
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Would prefer they use it much more like Rugby... Is there any reason i cannot award the try etc. The VAR has to be given the authority to make that decision, like rugby, like cricket, not have the ref run over to a screen if it is to be used IMO. |
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Does the VAR show the incident from different angles? And who chooses the angles he can view? Or does the ref just get to look at one version of events? (Pointless if the latter)
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Still question marks over whether he was interfering with play by attempting to go for a ball he got nowhere near, and didn't obstruct or influence the keeper in anyway. Not sure any decision will be quick and clear cut, however much they trim it down.
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If you watch from 3 angles and aren't sure - the on field decision remains. If you see it is clearly wrong you overturn the on field decision. Should be teh VAR's call though, NOT the ref having to watch again. |
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The ref shouldn’t be tunning over to a moniter - there should be another ref in a tv box telling the ref what the decision is. That much is obvious.
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That is what happens. The is another ref running the VAR side of things.
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How about each manager gets 3 appeals per match to use and if and when they are all used up has to abide as per usual by the refs decision.
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Is it only for goal offsides and pens?
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Haven’t they got earpieces to communicate? The ref’ll go over to the monitor and probably have to log and he’ll forget the fvcking password
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The VAR will probably be programmed as racist anyway.
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VAR will not work in football anyway.
In Tennis; great for deciding if a ball did or didn't cross the line. In Cricket; great for deciding if a ball will or wont hit stumps or a bowlers foot did or didn't cross the line. Take Zaha's penalty against City. It will still come down to the views of a single person it will only serve to further emphasise that point and further raise suspicions of corruption.
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Great for goaline decisions and no stoppage to the game but don't agree with VAR in it's proposed format.
Think the Tennis system works well with challenges. Restrict each team to one challenge per half which would mean the game doesn't stop start all the time with the crowd not knowing what is going on. Seen it on the continent in Germany, Italy and Portugual chaotic scenes. |
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Benteke was offside when setting up the first on Tuesday. Was he offside *enough* for it to be overturned by VAR? I'm not sure how the rules are supposed to be applied.
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So if there is a controversial decision that the ref misses up our end do we all make the T sign that they do in cricket when they want a review. That would be quite funny/annoying, if we did every time the ball is up our end.
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I suggest he wasn't offside because the defender's back leg kept him on. Great decision by the lino.
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The current system is a mish mash of traditional on field umpire and modern technology. Rightly or wrongly it still involves the onfield umpire’s subjective opinion to be responsible for most decisions, with a limited number of referrals. The old guideline of giving the benefit of the doubt to the batsmen is maintained by having ‘umpires call’ on very close decisions. To an extent I agree with this as it upholds the tradition of umpire decision making and prevents the onfield umpire from being no more than a walking jumper holder. On the other hand it is somewhat ludicrous when a not out decision is reviewed, proven to be out, but not out enough to be given out. The system of reviews and all the technology involved highlights just how many umpiring decisions are wrong. I can’t think of many truly subjective (ie difficult for a computer to make) decisions an umpire has to make other than batsmen not playing a shot on an lbw decision? The technology is there so I can’t see many compelling reasons to not use it in full (tradition and keeping the same laws at grass root and professional level?) Refereeing a football match on the other hand is full of subjective, contentious decisions that often aren’t agreed upon after dozens of replays from a multitude of angles and speeds. Even the traditionally more black and white decisions such as offsides are not always helped by a replay - they don’t often help decide whether a player is passive or active, interfering with play, etc. Replays provide no concrete evidence of whether a play has dived or not, whether a ball has taken a small deflection for a corner, if a penalty/foul should be awarded because there was ‘contact’ or whether a ball striking an arm should be handball or not. In short, technology alone cannot referee a football match as it pretty much can tennis or cricket and perhaps we are better largely leaving it out other than the goaline technology that exists? Football is a different sport that is ‘in play’ for long periods unlike the stop start nature of tennis and cricket (and American football) and doesn’t lend itself to constant stoppages for video review in the same way. A far better solution is to actually have some consistency among refereeing decisions and clarity on what the laws actually are. Handball is a mockery with different decisions and interpretations each week - deliberate, accidental, ball to hand, hand to ball, natural position, etc. For a multi billion pound industry it’s a joke. Some refs play the advantage for one second, others for 10. One week players get sent off for their first two booksble offences (Gayle v Newcastle) the next week a player gets away with ‘warnings’ for 3 or 4 bookable offences when on a yellow card (coquelin v arsenal). One week a player gets a touch that wouldnt knock a baby over (benteke v Liverpool) but we are told it’s a penalty and a great decision because there is contact, the next we are told players are simulating by going down to easily even when there is very apparent contact/tripping/shoving (wilf recently) and should be banned. Replays will not help this, football needs to get its house in order and reiterate what the bloody rules are and ensure there are fewer pompous, arrogant, egotistical cretins enforcing them. Last edited by teesdale99; 05-01-2018 at 04:13 PM. |
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Think the Managers need a red button to press in the dugout when they want to challenge?!
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How long do you get to make a review? As per my previous post it’s not cricket with defined passages of play, ie one delivery at a time. What if a full back dives by his own corner flag whilst shielding the ball because he gets the lightest of brushes (happens every 2 minutes)? More often than not it’s clearly not worth a review, but it sure as hell would be if the opposition punt a quickly taken free kick up the field and score. Does the ball have to be dead for a review, ie a free kick given? What about a review for a free kick that isn’t given? Or an off the ball incident? Perhaps a manger can ask for a review because a referee fails to book a goalie for time wasting? The list goes on... |
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