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But anyway, I actually came here to mention that Southampton are probably wishing for that VAR after today's match. Doucoure's equalizer was punched in with his fist! |
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So Iheanacho becomes the first player to score a goal awarded by VAR in English football.
Bet that linesman’s gutted. To view the link you have to Register or Login
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Was close though. The AR needed to see the pass and check if the player is off-side. Cannot always do both at the same time.
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They’ll always be linesman to me.
Anyway, thought Fleetwood’s left half back should’ve pushed up a little more. That’s why they’re 3rd Division I suppose.
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VAR was effective in ensuring a League 1 team didnt stay in the game against the former premier league champions with 10 minutes to go.
Pretty much what its invented to achieve! |
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I don't like it at all. Waiting to celebrate a goal is awful.
Can you imagine a last minute winner chalked off after waiting 2 minutes. |
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Well I am all in favour. Yes it may take a few minutes out of the game but so do injuries. Yes it may be annoying to have a goal chalked off after a 2 minute wait.
But nothing is more annoying than seeing a goal awarded for a clear error. Think this season's home game vs Everton and Niasse's 'dive' which gave Everton a penalty. Yes he was banned afterwards but what use was that to us? We were winning 2-1. We ended up drawing 2-2. 2 points lost. Think last season's game vs Hull when Snodgrass dived for a penalty and Scott Dann got booked. Video replays showed Dann did not even touch him! Result 3:3. Another 2 points lost. Imagine if that is at the end of the season and you get relegated by 1-2 points. Plus, most dodgy decisions usually go for the big clubs and against the smaller clubs so we should certainly not be complaining. Yes I get that VAR is slightly disruptive but nothing is worse than an appalling refereeing gaffe not being corrected. If your team score a goal and it is then annulled because it was handball then you cannot really complain. (Watford 2:2 Southampton - Watford 'scored' in injury time and Saints, who are in a relegation battle, lost 2 valuable points). |
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But I also think that it is the smaller clubs who need a bit of luck to beat the bigger boys. Hence my example that Fleetwoods luck of having a 2nd goal disallowed that would have kept them with a chance of taking it to extra-time was taken away by VAR. My gut feeling is the big clubs will be the ones who benefit from VAR more than the little clubs. |
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I have to say I am not a fan of VAR (in it's current guise) so far at least. I am up for some sort of technology improvement but not one that relies on a review and a chat before giving a decision. It completely changes the feeling as a goal is scored. The goal line tech is a really good example of a definite improvement. It instantly informs the ref and doesn't impact on the crowd or players. It just brings certainty.
As currently implemented I don't think this does. For one there is often no certainty even after the review, but mostly there is a significant delay and it just takes out that instant reaction of the crowd etc. Worse still it impacts every goal as a price for correcting the odd mistake. I think they should just work on implementing incremental additions like the goal line stuff. So for instance tackle the offside bits first. Enhance the tech so that it is done automatically. In RT calculate from the video image (using the lines etc.) if anyone was offside. In essence anything we can do from the video footage a computer can replicate with % of confidence and maybe only say 1 in a 100 cases would require a pair of eyes. They can implement the goal ine tech along the edges of the pitch. That would leave refs and linesmen to watch for the fouls and dodgy stuff only which would make the job easier. Judging those fouls probably is too hard for tech anyway and so just leave that to the ref and linesmen as it is. This fuffing about with things to fix the few things left simply isn't worth it if it's going to slow the game and impact the experience.
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I watched the match last night. Of course Moss was the ref so obviously took the maximum time to get a breather the fat feck, but after indicating he would look at the screen, was obviously told 'look he's clearly onside, stop wasting any more time and give the goal'. The lines they show are really accurate and you can see a lot more goals being awarded provided the ref ignores the lino at the time if it's tight.
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My only concern at the moment with VAR is what Martin highlighted above, regarding taking away that initial joy when a ball goes in as you have to wait for the decision to confirm. But that won’t happen all the time and I’d say 90% of goals will be clear cut. I guess we’ll just have to see how it pans out the more they use it, but it does feel fair that these essential decisions will be made correctly. Think they might need to speed up the decision making in the video hub. Seemed to take an age to work out if it was offside last night. Hopefully that was just because it was so tight.
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So, assuming this picks up speed and VAR is bought into the Premier League next season, which appears likely, where will they find an extra referee for each game which is what will be needed presumably?
One suggestion might be to replace the ref doing the 4th official job with an assistant ref, which would mean you wouldn't need any more refs, just more assistant refs. |
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Yeah all this is just the equivalent of fag breaks to Moss They will just blow up when the small team is attacking and play on if the big team is until they score, then blow up.
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Imagine Aguero winning goal to win the league going back to VAR. Will eventually destroy all emotion which is 50% why people love the game
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But what about Sako’s goal against Brighton? There wasn’t any delay there. Hopefully this will be the norm otherwise as you said, it will sterilise the excitement of a goal being scored.
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A goal should be a goal, end of. I agree the emotion after the goal last night was lackluster but it wasn't exactly a big game, had that been the Aguero league winning goal I imagine there would still be celebrations and in time maybe players will adapt to it. They are going to have to really.
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I don't want it or like it, wrong decisions and the emotions are everything that makes going to football great. Turning live football into tv football is not the way forward.
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