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So you want her to arrive back... be given full benefits ..... council HOUSE wherever she wants it.... 24hr protection .... NO Police interview .... appears on This Morning and become a leftie hero ....?
Her and Katie Hopkins on the couch would be a ratings winner..

Also perhaps Jeremy Kyle, with a baying mob

She'll be a not so loose woman
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It is a really difficult situation. Watching her interviews she appears to be a very confused person.



While showing she still having great sympathy with the ISIS cause it sounded ridiculous when she was asking for sympathy for herself and her situation but not able to show the same for those that have been the victims of ISIS.



Painting her as simply a young woman and with a newborn will naturally soften our attitude towards her (is there a level of sexism from some in this thinking?) but at the end of the day she is still in a mindset that she can justify the appalling actions of ISIS so it is unsurprising that many do not want her back in the country. It is not really about being scared of her, but more about prioritising the safety of British citizens.



As I have said I am conflicted but on balance do see why she has had her citizenship removed. Yes she could face justice here and end up in prison as a consequence but what happens when she is eventually released, will her ISIS sympathies be strengthened as a result?

I was just asking myself if perceptions would be different if she were male.
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I'm afraid I have no sympathy for her.
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She's a psychopath. Anyone who feels "unfazed" and thinks its fine to see severed heads in a bin is a danger to the public and could quite easily influence other young people. Read the "Psychopath test" by jon Ronson.
That's not a very reliable source for determining diagnosis of an individual and while the book is interesting, its not really all reliable.

Psychopath isn't actually a diagnosis for psychiatry, and hasn't been for a very long time and even then was more a term restricted for use in Forensic Psychiatry.

Psychopathic and sociopath are more accurately used to describe traits within forensic psych in relationship, mostly, to personality disorders - most notably Anti-Social Personality Disorder. Also, to make a diagnosis requires establishing that other psychiatric disorders aren't present which can also result in impacts on empathy (notably PTSD, Depression or even Schizophrenia in some cases).

Secondly, even if we're using 'out of date terms' she couldn't be described as psychopath on the basis of clearly caring about other individuals and her children, and the fact that she's questioning her own culpability for her situation - That could be evidentially presented as sociopathic, but clearly she had empathy for her children, husband and other IS members.

Most important though to establish someone as a 'psychopath' they'd need to also have Anti-Social Personality Disorder (the correct term) which typically requires establishing a history of anti-social behaviour, throughout their life (almost all psychopaths have a history of problems with authority that is manifest through their child hood - typically starting from the age of 4 or 5 years of age - which is pathological and persistent).

You can't become a 'psychopath'.
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I was just asking myself if perceptions would be different if she were male.
I personally think it would. A young man with a newborn to care for would get less sympathy IMO.
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It's a disgrace. Amazing how many grown men are scared of a radicalised 19 year old woman with a baby, who as far as we know has never physically harmed anyone.
I think anyone who is an enabler for the barbarity that Isis endorse and sees no wrong in it would scare most sane thinking people , be they grown men or women . We aren't talking about the tooting popular front here . We are talking about an organisation that brutally murders anyone who is not on board with them , Muslim infidels as well as whitey infidels . Its hardly a disgrace to object to that ,
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I personally think it would. A young man with a newborn to care for would get less sympathy IMO.

I agree. Think they would be seen as more of a threat/potential liability, especially if uttering the same words.
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There has to be some or it just becomes a left wing love in ,and you can correct our spelling,and tell us how thick we are
Love-in, surely?
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She's a psychopath. Anyone who feels "unfazed" and thinks its fine to see severed heads in a bin is a danger to the public and could quite easily influence other young people. Read the "Psychopath test" by jon Ronson.
That you so much for your qualified clinical input.
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There has to be some or it just becomes a left wing love in ,and you can correct our spelling,and tell us how thick we are
Having another oranjieboom love-in?
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