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Old 09-07-2014, 01:21 PM
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Think this whole FFP will crumble once someone challenges it in court.
Yup

Problem is, football wants to stay away from courts - it'll be a horrible day when players start to raise the question of transfer fees.
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Problem I see with this is that they say it is to keep clubs debt free (UEFA do anyway), if someone is willing to covert all of their investment to equity the club is debt free so how can you limit how much they invest.

I expect someone like PSG to challenge this in court and win. Also are UEFA really going to take tough action and throw one of the heavy hitters out of the Champions League, unlikely.
You know Striani lost when he took this to the European Commission, right? UEFA consulted massively with the EU before it brought its rules in.
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You know Striani lost when he took this to the European Commission, right? UEFA consulted massively with the EU before it brought its rules in.
True, that was an agent rather than a club though.

Would be interesting if a few of the big clubs took it to court. I was abit surprised Man City and PSG didn't kick up more fuss when they were caught out.

FFP is a good idea but it just looks slightly fragile legally I think.

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True, that was an agent rather than a club though.

Would be interesting if a few of the big clubs took it to court. I was abit surprised Man City and PSG didn't kick up more fuss when they were caught out.

FFP is a good idea but it just looks slightly fragile legally I think.
Fragile how?

Let's take the case of the UEFA FFP rules.

The EU is clearly onside. Okay they cannot dictate what the ECJ might find, but it seems unlikley they would lose there given the work undertaken with the EU in setting this up.
Domestic courts are irrelevant, other than maybe Switzerland.
CAS is irrelevant.

So how is it fragile legally?

If UEFA is serious about this, and it appears to be, then i'm not worried about it not standing up.
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Fragile how?

Let's take the case of the UEFA FFP rules.

The EU is clearly onside. Okay they cannot dictate what the ECJ might find, but it seems unlikley they would lose there given the work undertaken with the EU in setting this up.
Domestic courts are irrelevant, other than maybe Switzerland.
CAS is irrelevant.

So how is it fragile legally?

If UEFA is serious about this, and it appears to be, then i'm not worried about it not standing up.
The only fragile nature is the punishments handed to PSG and Man City. Fines were too light, also UEFA have watered down the Home grown player rule. Liverpool are not included in the FFP as they weren't in Europe last year, even though they are likely to have a heavy loss, does that also mean Man United will be let off this year as they have no Europe.

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Asking as a complete novice to the legal implications of such regulations, why would FFP be illegal?

Aren't clubs signed up to the Premier League/FA voluntarily? If they don't want to comply with their rules, they can simply leave the league system surely?

Obviously they wouldn't want that - unless Man United or similar could really profit more from Harlem Globetrotter-style world tours, or indeed if it triggered the G14 league - but fans would bore of that quickly and it certainly wouldn't appeal as much to your West Hams and Cardiffs.

What I'm trying to ask is can it be restriction of trade if it's a condition of membership in the FA/Premier League/UEFA that brings them a shit-ton of TV money? Let those who disobey piss off! Can't see that being voted in though
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Old 09-07-2014, 02:29 PM
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It would all come down to Article 101 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

Which people can read if they want to. I suspect they don't want to.
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It would all come down to Article 101 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

Which people can read if they want to. I suspect they don't want to.
Well would it prove to be anti-competitive under article 101, certainty impedes smaller clubs challenging the bigger ones.

Certainly stops another City or Chelsea, also gives UK and Spanish clubs an advantage because of the giant TV deals we have.

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Well would it prove to be anti-competitive under article 101
Maybe (and only maybe) and in any case even if they are there is an exemption that the rules probably fall under. I would imagine this is what all the disucssions with the EU were about.

I struggle to see how PSG would make it stick. But I am not a lawyer
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Financial Fair Play

How does this work exactly? It all seems a little bit odd.

I have just been reading a few articles on Football Italia and Inter Milan have just made 30m in sales to reach their target before FFP kicks in, but yet they are also offering 60m for Nainggolan and trying to sign a Centre Back from Atletico Madrid.

Absolutely none of it makes any sense to me?!
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Basically, small clubs (like Palace) are held to stringent regulations to prevent them from either borrowing or receiving through wealthy investors large amounts of money to send on improving their relative footballing status. But eurodarlings (like Inter) can do whatever the hell they like because they always have and to be held to the strictures of FFP would disadvantage them by letting lesser clubs close the gap.
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I don't get why you can clear off €30m to then be able to spend €60m. How do the cut offs work?
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The €60m will be amortised in the accounts over the length of the contract. So three year contract would be €20m in tranfer fees per year etc.

I assume transfer fees you receive are accounted for only in thr year received.
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The 60m will be amortised in the accounts over the length of the contract. So three year contract would be 20m in tranfer fees per year etc.

I assume transfer fees you receive are accounted for only in thr year received.
Surely it should work both ways? Would love to see it broken down club by club. But I guess that would require manbetx levels of transparency.
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It puzzles me as well. The only club that ever seems bothered by Fair Play is Palace.

It is designed to keep the little sides down. When it was originally mooted it was going to be based on debt but when certain darling clubs pointed out they were permanently in debt it was quickly changed to turnover. This basically prevents any smaller club mounting any kind of concerted challenge.
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It puzzles me as well. The only club that ever seems bothered by Fair Play is Palace.

It is designed to keep the little sides down. When it was originally mooted it was going to be based on debt but when certain darling clubs pointed out they were permanently in debt it was quickly changed to turnover. This basically prevents any smaller club mounting any kind of concerted challenge.
I think you are right. In a similar way the 25 man squad rule helps the big clubs playing in Europe, but does cock all for the smaller clubs, who are forced to spend all the filthy tv money on players instead of their infrastructure.
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Everton spent a shedload of money during the summer and have now bought Walcott for 20-25 million. How does that work vis-a-vis FFP?
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