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Old 24-10-2016, 07:16 PM
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There's a good FT article from last November online called something like "tough choices for Wallonia". It talks about their problems pre CETA. Their unemployment is twice that of Flanders but their crowning glory is biotech and pharma. This vote against the treaty seems a typical anti globalisation, cry for help from those being ignored or left behind by the metropolitan financiers and property industry brigade. Not sure what they are going to achieve here but I can have some sympathy with the marginalised. It might at least show the EU is an organisation that needs change.
I agree and it also shows we would have been far better off staying in and setting the agenda than being in isolation.
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Old 24-10-2016, 07:17 PM
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It will be interesting to see the next inward migration stats from EU countries. I predict no fall at all in the numbers from EU countries choosing to come to the UK for the forceeable future. Anyone disagree?
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Old 24-10-2016, 07:18 PM
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It will be interesting to see the next inward migration stats from EU countries. I predict no fall at all in the numbers from EU countries choosing to come to the UK for the forceeable future. Anyone disagree?
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Old 24-10-2016, 07:18 PM
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It will be interesting to see the next inward migration stats from EU countries. I predict no fall at all in the numbers from EU countries choosing to come to the UK for the forceeable future. Anyone disagree?
No until the borders go up and it will plummet. But don't worry we can retrain pensioners as doctors, carpenters, plumbers and nurses.
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Old 24-10-2016, 07:19 PM
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It will be interesting to see the next inward migration stats from EU countries. I predict no fall at all in the numbers from EU countries choosing to come to the UK for the forceeable future. Anyone disagree?
Thing is students make up a huge number and cuddly Theresa won't take them out of the stats. Spoils her argument and makes it more difficult to stir up hate.
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Old 24-10-2016, 07:20 PM
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I agree and it also shows we would have been far better off staying in and setting the agenda than being in isolation.
Yes, with the caveat as you and I have agreed before, that we need internal changes which may be uncomfortable for some.
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Old 24-10-2016, 07:24 PM
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Thing is students make up a huge number and cuddly Theresa won't take them out of the stats. Spoils her argument and makes it more difficult to stir up hate.
The government would be mad to cut down on inward students unless there is clear evidence of a particular university being used for fraudulent migration purposes. A quick look on Construction Enquirer showed that at least 15 of the top 100 contracts handed to the building industry in September were awarded by student accommodation funds or universities. There may have been more but I didn't recognise the names. Even better universities are one of the best ways of regeneration down at heel cities and towns. They have done good things for Medway and Plymouth. Actually sorry, read your comment again. Students won't be affected from the EU for at least 2-3 years anyway if at all so I cannot see any fall in numbers from the EU for the foreseeable future.

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Old 24-10-2016, 07:28 PM
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No until the borders go up and it will plummet. But don't worry we can retrain pensioners as doctors, carpenters, plumbers and nurses.
The way pensions keep failing and delivering such bad returns those people won't be able to retire anyway.
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Old 24-10-2016, 07:31 PM
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The government would be mad to cut down on inward students unless there is clear evidence of a particular university being used for fraudulent migration purposes. A quick look on Construction Enquirer showed that at least 15 of the top 100 contracts handed to the building industry in September were awarded by student accommodation funds or universities. There may have been more but I didn't recognise the names. Even better universities are one of the best ways of regeneration down at heel cities and towns. They have done good things for Medway and Plymouth. Actually sorry, read your comment again. Students won't be affected from the EU for at least 2-3 years anyway if at all so I cannot see any fall in numbers from the EU for the foreseeable future.
Yep but when the stats are manipulated by 125000 EU students coming to the uk - part time with apparently 1500 per annum being lost in the uk and not going home the stats appear aggressive.

As I say - may refuses to discount this temporary lucrative immigration as it fosters hate and division.

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Old 24-10-2016, 07:40 PM
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Did the four who voted out and would vote out of uk - and into EU - explain themselves?
I would like to know too. Seems a strange change of direction. Then again maybe he is making it up.
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Old 24-10-2016, 08:19 PM
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Did the four who voted out and would vote out of uk - and into EU - explain themselves?
They voted out in the Scottish referendum and in in the EU and would vote out in another Scottish referendum.
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Old 24-10-2016, 08:22 PM
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I agree and it also shows we would have been far better off staying in and setting the agenda than being in isolation.
I have disagree, for it shows why we are right to leave. So a region of Belgium has the ultimate say on a trade agreement. Just think of the millions spent here. Actually I think they have done right by us (Europe) in stopping this agreement. The headlines and principles were good, but when you give rights and powers to corporations that we as individuals do not have you are asking for trouble. At least these guys have looked at the small print. This is more than a protest vote, just wait for the transatlantic trade deals, just hope the British government do not sign a trade treaty on such terms. Where corporations can dictate to goverments, what is democratic about that.
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I have disagree, for it shows why we are right to leave. So a region of Belgium has the ultimate say on a trade agreement. Just think of the millions spent here. Actually I think they have done right by us (Europe) in stopping this agreement. The headlines and principles were good, but when you give rights and powers to corporations that we as individuals do not have you are asking for trouble. At least these guys have looked at the small print. This is more than a protest vote, just wait for the transatlantic trade deals, just hope the British government do not sign a trade treaty on such terms. Where corporations can dictate to goverments, what is democratic about that.
Makes sense. Best get out quick because a region within the EU has the ability to block a major deal that is not in their interests. Let's break up our union losing Scotland and our oil and **** up n Ireland by discarding the Good Friday agreement - great they will leave too. we can claim our sovereignty by giving it to Theresa May's cabinet and **** up the economy because it's a bad idea that wallonia has the ability to block a deal that is not in their interests.

Wallonia has more sovereignty than n Ireland, Scotland and Wales put together. Wallonia can block something that is not in their interests. Scotland and n Ireland just have to **** off.

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Old 24-10-2016, 08:42 PM
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Makes sense. Best get out quick because a region within the EU has the ability to block a major deal that is not in their interests. Let's break up our union losing Scotland and our oil and **** up n Ireland by discarding the Good Friday agreement - great they will leave too. we can claim our sovereignty by giving it to Theresa May's cabinet and **** up the economy because it's a bad idea that wallonia has the ability to block a deal that is not in their interests.

Wallonia has more sovereignty than n Ireland, Scotland and Wales put together. Wallonia can block something that is not in their interests. Scotland and n Ireland just have to **** off.
Persuasive.

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Reckon that would be the least of their worries. Their companies would organise visas. I think they would be more concerned by the queues from Dover to the M25 while they are individually custom checked . It currently takes on average 40 mins from lorry arriving in Dover to being processed and on their way.

The unfortunate thing about Dover is that it has cliffs all around it and no space to build a wacking great big lorry park.

Guess we can use the money saved to build a global port somewhere else. Of course what's left after we have given 350 million to the nhs, regional farmers, regional subsidies, universities, top up the extra payments on our national debt, pay for the extra Brexit staff and departments and give the EU back the 19 billion or so we owe them. After that the Mps can debate where the port will go for the next decade and we can use the extra money we make by selling jam, apples and tea to build the port. At least the poles will stop coming though.
Yes, I wasn't just thinking about the lorry drivers themselves. The increased checks, visas and logistics of it all is sure to have an impact.
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Yes, I wasn't just thinking about the lorry drivers themselves. The increased checks, visas and logistics of it all is sure to have an impact.
I would imagine it would make many companies unviable because the haulage industry work on such tight margins. The good news is they will have to deliver a lot less as our ex EU buddies will buy what we produce from elsewhere in the EU so perhaps the queues will not be so big. Who needs a haulage industry though? As long as we have less poles it is worth it.

Except for our tea and jam - everyone will still buy that...
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Makes sense. Best get out quick because a region within the EU has the ability to block a major deal that is not in their interests. Let's break up our union losing Scotland and our oil and **** up n Ireland by discarding the Good Friday agreement - great they will leave too. we can claim our sovereignty by giving it to Theresa May's cabinet and **** up the economy because it's a bad idea that wallonia has the ability to block a deal that is not in their interests.

Wallonia has more sovereignty than n Ireland, Scotland and Wales put together. Wallonia can block something that is not in their interests. Scotland and n Ireland just have to **** off.
The union started to break up as power was devolved. Believe it is the SNP who want to leave the union, and they want to stay in the EU. As for the Good Friday agreement, where was that written it only exits if the UK stays part of the EU. I agree there are many challenges with Brexit.
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The union started to break up as power was devolved. Believe it is the SNP who want to leave the union, and they want to stay in the EU. As for the Good Friday agreement, where was that written it only exits if the UK stays part of the EU. I agree there are many challenges with Brexit.
Scotland voted to stay in the union but 2 years ago. The conservatives and labour sold them unity by saying that voting in was the only was to stay in the EU. They now have justification for a second referendum because their self determination has been trampled on and continues to be trampled on.

The Good Friday agreement explicitly allows free movement between n Ireland and the republic of people and goods without customs check or visa requirements. It is explicit that the border is open and anyone can cross it at any time. Family can visit each other.
Upon departure from the single market/customs union this is impossible. A border must be erected to monitor goods in order to custom check them and origin check them. Id checks will be mandatory to ensure that no 19 year old refugees sneak accross or a nasty polish labourer does not cross over. This means the Good Friday agreement is over 18 years after it's inception. It was negotiated on a table where hundreds of years of blood had soaked into it.

The Good Friday agreement maintains a very nervy peace.

Sorry but your vote, unless you are dan Hannan and want to stay in the single market, was a vote that has put a bomb under the peace process.

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Poll on ITV news tonight has the gap between staying and leaving at just 1%. The trouble is that same poll has 58% thinking that May is doing a good job, when she actually hasn't done anything yet. Ho hum.
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