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It is tough on shifts... Really hard at times, but it is something I accept. Plus I like driving trains.
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Take that away and an on board supervisor is basically pointless.
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It's the means of fighting the cause I disagree with. Most people can't strike to fight their cause as they would simply lose their jobs. If you want something you could use the same means available to everyone. If you want good conditions for everyone use our democractic sytems and make it happen. |
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I have in earlier posts. The issue seems to be over drivers instead of conductors being required to open train doors instead. This happens on 40% of UK trains now, including those running on Thameslink. This is reasonable, they may not like it, it may change their working practices and bring into question future job security. But the industry does not exist for their total benefit. It should be run efficiently and cost effectively.
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Most people don't work in industries that are vital for the infastructure of London and the UK. So with the help of strong trade unions they can't cause a meltdown of the whole thing by striking or calling in sick for weeks on end to force through their demands or object to any change in their jobs. Most working people have to accept that our employers can change our jobs to some degree and that we can't expect total job security. It's a balance, we all have rights but not total control. That is not 'having it bad' it's just the way life is for most people. There is a balance between the employer, the employee and the consumer. This is not how you see it, as far as you are concerned the railways exist to provide well paid jobs for life for its workers on terms which are skewed in your favour. The traveller is an afterthought, a person who should get up earlier and not complain if the trains aren't running whilst paying through the nose for the privilege.
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In fact they are exploiting a situation.
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For what? Safety??
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Utter bullshine Don't tell me what I think. 2 years and I hope to be out of this industry. The guards are striking for safety, they're giving up £££'s for nothing other than trying to provide a safe railway. A couple of months back (I posted this on this very thread at the time) a 19yr old tried to kill himself in front of my train, as I tried to desperately get hold of the signaller he tried to jump in front of a train coming the other way, my guard managed to grab him. That guard saved that lads life, he also stopped a driver of going through a terrible experience (there's a driver who posts on here who had a suicide, he can tell you how traumatic it is to be the sole witness to a persons last seconds on earth) I've also had guards find people that haven't taken their insulin, and slipped in to comatose state.
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You don't even know why they're striking.
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Southern will find themselves with far fewer qualified drivers come the end of the dispute, the staff turnover is greater than ever.
Yes, people can take their labour elsewhere. I have considered other TOCs and even a huge paycut to return to civil service because coming to work is sheer hell at the moment. Not sure if anyone had mentioned this but it is a safety dispute. I would forgo any payrise for a decade if I could have a guard on each of my trains. There will be a disaster if we keep cutting staff levels.
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I don't see why the RMT should be in the business of assessing safety. Are they experts in rail safety? It's not like rail is completely unregulated - the Rail Safety Standards Board sets the standards and has pronounced DOO trains safe.
If RMT really feel it is unsafe they should commission scientific reports that back up their case, protest to the board and raise awareness - not strike against a company that complies with the standards. If the strike is about jobs, just come out and say it.
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It's nothing to do with people not wanting to get up early; it's about wanting to get up at a time to be able to take a train at a time as advertised, rather than hope for the best that one may or may not turn up to take them to work.
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Again when I worked in the City, I started doing what one of my bosses said he did. Seems slightly loony but he said if he started at say 8:30 he would rather aim to be in at 8, give himself time to get in, get himself ready snd chill rather than jump straight in to work. I actually agree with that. Sometimes you have to compromise. It's bs that trains don't run, but it's not suddenly going to get better unfortunately.
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Besides, leave earlier is a pretty poor response when people are paying thousands for this service. Last edited by spt1978; 13-08-2016 at 08:18 AM. |
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Govia are French owned. They run many rail services in France WITH guards on board. Why aren't they getting rid of the guards role there ?? Because the French Government won't let them. Do you actually know what the "safety critical" role of a guard is? The answer is NO. The guard on the train has 36 different safety compentencies on which he is fully trained in and has a 4/5 hour exam every 2 years and assessment rides in between to ensure that he and the passengers aboard his train are SAFE. In the event of an accident or fire etc who do you think is responsible for the safety of passengers ? And no it's not the driver. IT'S THE GUARD. I suggest you do a little research rather than looking at the headlines from The Daily Mail and forming a quite frankly ignorant opinion.
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But these people don't really matter or exist in his mind. The railway exists for the benefit of the staff in his mind. The public who pay high fares are just an irritating after thought worthy of indifference and contempt. It doesn't matter if the railways grind to a halt or at best provide a shoddy service, as long as staff get generous salaries, on terms they get to decide.
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Both stated that 40% of UK trains run without guards closing doors. Govia run Thameslink which runs without guards. This issue is not about safety, the reason the unions have called the strike is not about safety. I may not agree with him and may have slated him a little, but at least Latvian has the honesty to admit why striking is taking place.
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The role of a safety critical guard is being eroded. If it was about money why are they still striking when they have been promised the same pay ?
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