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Old 03-01-2017, 10:08 AM
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One of the best calibre of strikers we have had at this club in a long time and people want shot of him only 6 months in. Classic.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:27 AM
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One of the best calibre of strikers we have had at this club in a long time and people want shot of him only 6 months in. Classic.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:48 AM
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We need to move away from this thinking of if a player runs around a lot, dives in, body on the line, etc, he is really good

Benteke has a 1 in 2 return in the PL, that is what we wanted and have, all this despite limited service and missed pens!
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The fact is he is doing the main thing we bought him for. A combo of 2 pens, a couple of cracking headers and some right place, right time tap ins. In many ways he is the player we have been crying out for, strong, decent touch, wins a lot of aerial ball, eye for goal.

However, if we look deep inside ourselves, can we honestly say he is the player we thought he was going to be? We are desperate for him to do well, but has he really captured our collective heart yet? Has he shown that desire and energy you want to see from your players? Is there a suspicion he is going through the motions a little? Had he produced many brilliant or breathtaking moments? Has he scored a screamer? Is he as quick as you remember at Villa? Can you see why Liverpool sold him? Does he have a song? A dirge that HF have sung once or twice but nothing else to my knowledge.

If 40m was up for grabs AND we were guaranteed to spend it all on a replacement and start afresh, would you not be tempted...?
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:40 AM
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I think some expect Benteke to win headers lumped at him, then win his own knock downs, then spin towards goal (bearing in mind he's been facing our goal during this so far), run through and then score as well.

I agree with you Monk, the problem isn't so much Benteke himself, but that he's too isolated.

Whilst it's true he doesn't chase every possible ball and can therefore appear less interested than some of the nippier strikers we've had, I think in the current system we're playing, the guy's probably trying to save energy for the best opportunities. He's a big bloke and unlikely to be able run around like AJ for 90 mins.

Watching his efforts re Man Utd and Arsenal, their defenders swarmed him. One would jump with him whilst another one, or maybe two, would lurk nearby to grab his knock down. It's like hyenas round a buffalo!
The problem we have IS in the way we use Benteke, it makes our play become too One Dimensional. In playing a sole big striker means we aim to hit a lone target which makes it easier for opposition defenders as you stated perfectly in your last paragraph to mark comfortably by sheer numbers. And it is NOT the fault of the player that makes him less effective but the system, the teams you used as examples Man U and Arsenal both played with a target man, but the big difference is Our defenders had to cope with not just the CF, but their midfield also surging forward in support, this ensures it does not leave the "big" striker to fight a lone battle against outnumbering defenders as ours do.
If we are to see Benteke perform at his most effective in my opinion, he needs either to have say an Andre Gray type alongside in combination, Or our midfield system needs to change and be more supportive by pushing up in support of the lone striker as we see adopted with most successful teams.
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We would be mad to even consider it. But he's got to start working harder that's for sure.
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We would be mad to even consider it. But he's got to start working harder that's for sure.
Not really..

If he scored every game then this wouldn't be in question. If he doesn't do anything for 89 mins then pops up with a goal that's enough for me.
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Selling benteke would mean certain relegation.

The guys scored more already this season than any striker in the last two complete seasons. Yes he's missed a few chances but he's way better than anyone we'd get in to replace him
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The club have turned the offer down and Benteke wants to stay.
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We would be mad to even consider it. But he's got to start working harder that's for sure.
I'm sure he would if the players around him, and who should be providing him with quality chances were working harder too, or is he supposed to be the provider and scorer?
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The fact is he is doing the main thing we bought him for. A combo of 2 pens, a couple of cracking headers and some right place, right time tap ins. In many ways he is the player we have been crying out for, strong, decent touch, wins a lot of aerial ball, eye for goal.

However, if we look deep inside ourselves, can we honestly say he is the player we thought he was going to be? We are desperate for him to do well, but has he really captured our collective heart yet? Has he shown that desire and energy you want to see from your players? Is there a suspicion he is going through the motions a little? Had he produced many brilliant or breathtaking moments? Has he scored a screamer? Is he as quick as you remember at Villa? Can you see why Liverpool sold him? Does he have a song? A dirge that HF have sung once or twice but nothing else to my knowledge.

If 40m was up for grabs AND we were guaranteed to spend it all on a replacement and start afresh, would you not be tempted...?


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sell him more movement from a bag of spuds.
Totally disagree, but an appropriate quote imashed.
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Classic example of our fans not liking someone because he doesn't bust a gut for 90 minutes. If he continues to score goals, it doesn't really matter what else he does. He's a goalscorer. Something we've been crying out for since, well, forever and people want to sell him?

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Classic example of our fans not liking someone because he doesn't bust a gut for 90 minutes. If he continues to score goals, it doesn't really matter what else he does. He's a goalscorer. Something we've been crying out for since, well, forever and people want to sell him?

Some of you aren't from this planet.
I get the feeling some people would swap him for Wilbraham or Scowcroft if they got the chance.
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I get the feeling some people would swap him for Wilbraham or Scowcroft if they got the chance.
They would take the 40m and put it towards a 60m bid for Glenn Murray.
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SA: Playing off Benteke's fine, but play off his chest not his head. We can't keep asking him to head balls on, rather than hold up.



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It would help if he actually moved and showed for the ball then
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It would help if he actually moved and showed for the ball then
You clearly don't watch games.. he was running down the right wing at one point..

I understand some are looking for scapegoat.. benteke isn't the one
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