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Old 15-01-2019, 11:42 AM
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I have no problem whatsoever with opportunism not ethics driving marketing providing the message is legal decent etc.
I do get this as well, as the message is a good one, but at the same time it does not make me think greatly on Gillette because I do not see the sincerity that would make me want to buy their products.
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The examples of harassment of women in it are ridiculous and edge cases, your average bloke doesn't act like that anyway, but it's being portrayed as normal and that blokes have been behaving terribly consistently and everytime. It's yet another bloke attack, just like all the adverts where the bloke is made out to be a complete clot and embarrassment but <insert product> saves the day.

Removing the shitty behaviour is one thing but there's a lot of blokiness that is getting smashed up in the process and that won't just hurt blokes, it'll hurt women in the end. You can't change biology.
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Is there such a thing as Toxic Femininity?
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Gillette have released a new ad which addresses the issue of toxic masculinity and asks men to be the best they can be.


Currently causing a lot of controversy, on YT there are 23k likes and over 200k dislikes. A LOT of offended men. Personally, I really like it. I think its well made and touching. What do we think - if you find it offensive, why?
No issue with it at all...
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Is there such a thing as Toxic Femininity?
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Is there such a thing as Toxic Femininity?

Yes.

Although I think you already known this.
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Old 15-01-2019, 12:04 PM
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Yes.

Although I think you already known this.
I really didn't but I'm sure some advertising agency will bring out a similar advert using this as a background.
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"Controversial"

The only people who could possibly be bothered by this are the people the ad is aimed at. The amount of people missing the toxic part of toxic masculinity is... well, not really that surprising. Plus it's triggered Piers Morgan, so it's the perfect ad IMO.
I reckon Piers Morgan is sponsored by these brands to be triggered and draw more attention to them.
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Old 15-01-2019, 12:19 PM
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I really didn't but I'm sure some advertising agency will bring out a similar advert using this as a background.
Possibly not a social issue of the same magnitude though.

I like the advert. Yes, it's a cynical ploy to sell more products, which of course is the point of any advert. But I like the message, I don't feel like it's saying all men are bastards. It's about toxic masculinity, which negatively impacts men as more than women, which I think the advert shows.
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The examples of harassment of women in it are ridiculous and edge cases, your average bloke doesn't act like that anyway, but it's being portrayed as normal and that blokes have been behaving terribly consistently and everytime. It's yet another bloke attack, just like all the adverts where the bloke is made out to be a complete clot and embarrassment but <insert product> saves the day.

Removing the shitty behaviour is one thing but there's a lot of blokiness that is getting smashed up in the process and that won't just hurt blokes, it'll hurt women in the end. You can't change biology.
What are you talking about?

Also, a 'bloke attack'? Can't help but feel you've taken this ad a bit personally. There clearly is a problem in society with 'toxic masculinity' or whatever. This addresses that, and if you feel personally attacked by it, maybe you should take a look at yourself and the way you act.
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Possibly not a social issue of the same magnitude though.

I like the advert. Yes, it's a cynical ploy to sell more products, which of course is the point of any advert. But I like the message, I don't feel like it's saying all men are bastards. It's about toxic masculinity, which negatively impacts men as more than women, which I think the advert shows.

Is it a covert anti-Trump ad?
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I hear it thrown around a lot, and I'm hoping one of the resident experts in the field can explain what it actually is to hopefully help placate the baying mobs calling this anti men, under the umbrella of tolerance, understanding and sensible discussion and debate.

What is "toxic masculinity"? Is there a sliding scale, or an actual defined definition people work with explaining what structures lead to this toxicity, and what behaviour it encompasses?
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Call me cynical, but Gillette aren't doing this to "heal" men.

They're doing it for cash.

Other than that I suppose it's on message for today's trend topics. Its bollocks though, I'm afraid and doesn't help in any way.

It just gives us a slightly different idea to other adverts of what we "should" be. **** off.
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What is "toxic masculinity"? Is there a sliding scale, or an actual defined definition people work with explaining what structures lead to this toxicity, and what behaviour it encompasses?
There's plenty to read on the topic - I'd recommend The Descent of Man by Grayson Perry as a good starting point. But essentially, my understanding is that it's about restricting male emotions to anger and aggression - boys don't cry and don't show emotions. Men aren't suited to caring roles. That sort of thing. In addition it's about reinforcing male dominance in society.

I reckon it's a pretty important issue for all sorts of reasons, not least the high levels of suicide and mental health issues amongst men.
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I reckon it's a pretty important issue for all sorts of reasons, not least the high levels of suicide and mental health issues amongst men.
Of course, you are right, but I don't think this advert does anything to help.
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