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Old 12-09-2017, 03:15 PM
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Didn't Lee have a public moan about Pardew at the end if the 15/16 season ? I think we all thought that would end his (very undistinguished) Palace career. Unfortunately, like a bad smell, he is still here.
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Old 12-09-2017, 03:16 PM
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Utter nonsense. Any employee who when interviewed said he would do things in a certain way then went about doing the opposite, all the while being arrogant and rude and making a string of bad mistakes would be lucky to last 77 days.
Did he go about changing what he said he'd do? He said from get go it was 343 he said he would try and bring youth through. Which is possibly what pi***** off the senior players. Ian wright said in his book that the vets at arsenal didn't like him as he was a threat to their position in the team. It was not unusual for that sort of resentment at club's when younger players are breaking in to side.
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Old 12-09-2017, 03:20 PM
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Allardyce averaged 0.77 points per game without Sakho. Would he be good enough? What about Pardew who averaged .88 points per game last season? This idea, that some un-named manager would stroll in and get this bunch actually playing winning football is belied by the actual results (excepting a short spell last season) from the last 21 months.

Sam, who did a good job for us, talked openly of how this group of players did not listen or follow his instructions until after the Sunderland loss. That's seven league games where, in essence, they ignored him.

That tells me, that irrespective of the qualities (or lack of them) of FdB, there are far deeper issues in the team and squad.
I think there are some issues in the squad as you say that definitely need addressing - i.e. it's imbalanced for a start.

But there is absolutely no way that this squad of players - after a full pre-season - couldn't have been organised to get a minimum of five points from these 4 opening games. That we haven't and failed to score in the process is an indictment of FDB who constantly played people out of position, selected the wrong formation, selected some players when he shouldn't have (e.g. lee) and generally made a mess of it from day one. He couldn't have had a worse impact on the team's performance.
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Old 12-09-2017, 03:33 PM
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Although aren't all Dutchmen slightly arrogant and aloof? They're not really a nation known for it's charisma...
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The players didn't want to work for Allardyce either. He even came out and said as much, Parish even had to go in the dressing room and put a rocket up em, after yet another dreadful performance.
There's the problem right there we have a core of players that are a) shite b) think SP should be running team affairs.
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Old 13-09-2017, 11:23 AM
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Did he go about changing what he said he'd do? He said from get go it was 343 he said he would try and bring youth through. Which is possibly what pi***** off the senior players. Ian wright said in his book that the vets at arsenal didn't like him as he was a threat to their position in the team. It was not unusual for that sort of resentment at club's when younger players are breaking in to side.
I agree with wedgetail. He said in his first interview that he knew he was hired to bring evolution and not revolution to our football. By all accounts he also knew he wouldn't be able to go out and buy 10 new players straight away, he would have to work with the players we had.

So what does he do, he goes immediately to a totally different formation that we are both uncomfortable with and ill suited for. His working with the players consists of playing some out of position, alienating others and apparently generally pissing off half the squad that he knew he wouldn't be able to move on.

I guess at the core of it, you simply can't anger everyone and expect to survive for long. He didn't have the players on his side, he didnt have the chairman on his side and he didn't have the majority of the supporters on his side. No one was left to back him so what did he expect? He man made himself an island and that had an inevitable ending.
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Although aren't all Dutchmen slightly arrogant and aloof? They're not really a nation known for it's charisma...
They're arrogant, aloof, nutty and a right laugh.....
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Loving the conspiracy theory that Lee's back pass was deliberate. I don't believe that but he certainly didn't look to down in the dumps.
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Loving the conspiracy theory that Lee's back pass was deliberate. I don't believe that but he certainly didn't look to down in the dumps.
Well, Lee's never given Benteke such a good pass so, joking aside, I'm pretty sure his backpass was an accident.
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Loving the conspiracy theory that Lee's back pass was deliberate. I don't believe that but he certainly didn't look to down in the dumps.
No way was that the case. Shouldnt change the fact that he should not get anywhere near the first team, unless as an emergency cover. Never been remotely good enough, awful signing and it appears awful attitude.
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There's the problem right there we have a core of players that are a) shite b) think SP should be running team affairs.

Sorry to ruin the anti-Parish ramblings but Big Sam asked Parish to go into the dressing room. Sam has confirmed this many times.

That won't fit with lots of people's agendas but there you go.
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Loving the conspiracy theory that Lee's back pass was deliberate. I don't believe that but he certainly didn't look to down in the dumps.
I don't think he's capable of executing a precision pass so it rules that theory out tbh.
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TBH although I'm massively grateful for Delaney's work in getting us up and keeping us here, I'll be glad when he moves on. Clearly not up to top tier standard anymore and by most accounts not the most positive influence in the dressing room.
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TBH although I'm massively grateful for Delaney's work in getting us up and keeping us here, I'll be glad when he moves on. Clearly not up to top tier standard anymore and by most accounts not the most positive influence in the dressing room.
Where's the evidence re Delaney?

I think we have to be careful of 'trial by internet' here. Someone mentions him in a post, it gets repeated and before you know, it becomes a 'fact'.

Parish could easily have not given him a new contract this summer, but did. If he was such a troublemaker, that wouldn't have happened.
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Where's the evidence re Delaney?

I think we have to be careful of 'trial by internet' here. Someone mentions him in a post, it gets repeated and before you know, it becomes a 'fact'.

Parish could easily have not given him a new contract this summer, but did. If he was such a troublemaker, that wouldn't have happened.
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Where's the evidence re Delaney?

I think we have to be careful of 'trial by internet' here. Someone mentions him in a post, it gets repeated and before you know, it becomes a 'fact'.

Parish could easily have not given him a new contract this summer, but did. If he was such a troublemaker, that wouldn't have happened.
Two newspaper articles have named him amongst others - the same stories which people are taking as gospel in order to claim FdB is at fault. Not to mention that he has previous for this.

As usual though, I imagine people will read what they want but ignore the other bits that may paint any Palace 'favourite' in a bad light.
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Two newspaper articles have named him amongst others - the same stories which people are taking as gospel in order to claim FdB is at fault. Not to mention that he has previous for this.

As usual though, I imagine people will read what they want but ignore the other bits that may paint any Palace 'favourite' in a bad light.
Are you suggesting that journo's simply trawl social media to put together a story; that journo's don't actually do some proper investigative work themselves?
I simply won't have it.
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