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Hennessey 5 1.04%
Fosu-Mensah ** 27 5.64%
Dann 3 0.63%
Riedewald 2 0.42%
Ward 1 0.21%
Milivojevic * 0 0%
Puncheon 7 1.46%
van Aanholt 2 0.42%
Loftus-Cheek 405 84.55%
Zaha 20 4.18%
Benteke 1 0.21%
Townsend * 5 1.04%
Tomkins ** 1 0.21%
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Headless chickens today. Embarassing
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I went not knowing quite what to expect but Palace exceeded my worst possible case scenario. Apart from Loftus Cheek and Mensah (that tackle was one of the best tackles I have ever seen) the rest of them were severely average. Left early in order to watch Man City hopefully thump Brighton and bring some joy to a miserable day.
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Was Benteke playing?
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Only players worth a mention are the 2 on loan.

Head and shoulders above anyone on our team.
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We now have a formation that makes us weaker at both ends of the pitch. That takes some doing.
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Really hoping that De Boer can be pragmatic and entertain the possibility of switching to a 4-3-3. I really don't think 3-4-3 fits are squad, nor do I think it's great if we actually plan on playing out from the back and maintaining possession (we need 3 cms). Today we were totally dominated territory, our forwards were isolated, and we weren't able to utilize the wingbacks to circulate the ball from inside to outside and back inside again. A 4-3-3 would allow Luka to sit in front of the backline while players like RLC and Cabaye play off each other in front of him. But, no matter which system we play, SOMEONE needs to get the players to move off the ball. We've been woefully static off the ball since Pardew's ban run of form.
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It felt like a pre season friendly against a team two weeks more ready than us.
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Hate to over react but I really think our season will be defined by when we sack FDB and who we get in.
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we played like a team that had not played together before and a formation that we are not good at total embarrassment
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If we do switch to a back four, I'm think Fosu-Mensah should be given a run over Ward as sad as that is for me to say.
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Henn and Punch are not good enough to be starters.

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Hate to over react but I really think our season will be defined by when we sack FDB and who we get in.
Stay positive. A steep learning curve for FDB but let's see what he has up his sleeve now.
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On holiday and listened to BBC radio commentary so won't give ratings but my overall impression was that we were bullied and out fought by a newly promoted team. We should have known that was coming and matched them. Sakho for 30 million any one?
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What a start. It reminded me of last seasons match against Man City. No one seemed to know what they were meant to be doing, you could see it in their faces and I still don't understand what the theoretical advantages of 3-4-3 are meant to be. To be entering a new season with Wayne in goal is ludicrous.
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Saw Townsend talking in the summer about only having been here a year and already now under a third Manager with another change in style of play. The fact the players look unfit and lacking hunger on day one is a worrying observation and may be connected to continual change.

It has an amateur feel about it...and feels like Sam sussed it all out in his 6 months...as with Sunderland and Wigan before them, luck will run out when the same group of players become too battle weary.
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Hard to blame players today
I really want FDB to lead to some type of revaluation at palace but based upon that it's hard to see
Playing ward at RWB when he didn't play there all pre-season and clearly is not fit for the role
Not starting Townsend when he played RWB all pre-season quite well
Strange subs
We have some good players and I think they can fit the system he wants but we need to pLay the best players in their positions!
How did ward play the whole game????
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The owners of our club are to blame for this embarrassment.

Where oh where is the implementation of our post season analysis?

1. if you are going to change the football style buy players that can do it
2. Replace your weak links and strengthen - goalkeeper, CB and support for Benteke
3. Do not let sentiment get in your way - Puncheon should be a squad player, don't spend money on players you will not play - Delaney, Speroni

To start a season without the players to play a new system is just stupid

Loftus Cheek and Mensa the only players who looked premier league standard.

This our 5th season compared to Huddersfield 7 players for 35m and they play with a well worked system

Shockingly embarrassing but easily anticipated
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The owners of our club are to blame for this embarrassment.

Where oh where is the implementation of our post season analysis?

1. if you are going to change the football style buy players that can do it
2. Replace your weak links and strengthen - goalkeeper, CB and support for Benteke
3. Do not let sentiment get in your way - Puncheon should be a squad player, don't spend money on players you will not play - Delaney, Speroni

To start a season without the players to play a new system is just stupid

Loftus Cheek and Mensa the only players who looked premier league standard.

This our 5th season compared to Huddersfield 7 players for 35m and they play with a well worked system

Shockingly embarrassing but easily anticipated

Actually hard to disagree with this.

If you are bringing a manager in to change system then you need to finance the players.

Today was a shower of shit
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Loftus-Cheek was our best player by a country mile.

Hennessey - 3 - if we end this window with him as our no.1 again it's a critical error.
Riedewald - 3 - a really poor first game aerially, positionally, defensively and on the ball. Hope he learns quick.
Dann - 5 - not great but tough on him having such inexperience either side.
TFM - 6 - inexperienced and needs some positional/tactical work but clearly a great athlete, decent on the ball and what a tackle.
PvA - 4 - had one of our only shots on target but didn't help Riedewald enough when he was sinking.
Ward - 4 - better once Townsend came on but poor first half.
Punch - 6 - actually kept the ball and recycled well but no threat.
Luka - 5 - pretty anonymous
RLC - 8 - best player. Tackling, dribbling, passing and reading the game. Should build the midfield around him.
Wilf - 4 - one of the worst games I've seen him have in ages.
Benteke - 4 - extra for the shot that brought the wonder save but he desperately needs us to play 433 with width.

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Townsend - 5 - tried hard and brought some width.
Tomking - n/a - didn't see much.
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