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Hennessey 5 1.04%
Fosu-Mensah ** 27 5.64%
Dann 3 0.63%
Riedewald 2 0.42%
Ward 1 0.21%
Milivojevic * 0 0%
Puncheon 7 1.46%
van Aanholt 2 0.42%
Loftus-Cheek 405 84.55%
Zaha 20 4.18%
Benteke 1 0.21%
Townsend * 5 1.04%
Tomkins ** 1 0.21%
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Crystal Palace manager Frank de Boer: "If you analyse the game, it is quite simple. We started well but after 10 minutes the game changed. Tactically, we did not do what we spoke about and paid an expensive price. We were close to making it 2-1 and if we did, I had a feeling we would get a point.
"We were not pressing up top and they were allowed to get crosses too. We did not make the right choices and got punished.
"You cannot go suddenly from one to 10, you have to do it step-by-step. We showed some good football but a game does not last 75 minutes, you have to concenterate for 95 minutes.
"Huddersfield did a fantastic job and the compliments to them. They played how they always do, but if you lose 3-0, they deserve it."

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It was always doomed to failure. Back to long ball asap please
We play long ball anyway. We just piss about with it on the edge of our box for a couple of minutes first.
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Hennessey - 5
Ward - 3
Fonsu-Mensah - 6
Dann - 5
Riedewald - 5
PVA - 4
Luka - 4
Puncheon - 2 Very poor for a captain's performance
Loftus-Cheek - 8
Zaha - 6
Benteke - 4

Townsend - 4
Tomkins - 3

Frank De Boer - Who?
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Best players today aren't even our players! RLC and TFM both impressed and will et better over the season.

Think we definitely need Sakho. Wasn't impressed with Riedewald, he will be torn to shreds if he plays against Liverpool. Seemed very slow, and a bit of a lazy style to his play (not saying he's a lazy player, it's obviously his style). Think he needs to be eased into things here.

Punch and Ward need to go. Luka and RLC have to be first choice CMs, and I think we need a ready-made RWB. Ward surely can't be the second choice, he can't play that role. Townsend might be ok there, but then 2 attacking players are needed - we literally had 0 options off the bench.

I didn't think we'd win today, but I was still optimistic about things going into today as I thought we had a clear plan going forwards. But it's clear that the defence needs a lot of work.

Difficult to know how we're going to be this season after watching that, but we're so much further behind than I thought we would be.
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Crystal Palace manager Frank de Boer: "If you analyse the game, it is quite simple. We started well but after 10 minutes the game changed. Tactically, we did not do what we spoke about and paid an expensive price. We were close to making it 2-1 and if we did, I had a feeling we would get a point.
"We were not pressing up top and they were allowed to get crosses too. We did not make the right choices and got punished.
"You cannot go suddenly from one to 10, you have to do it step-by-step. We showed some good football but a game does not last 75 minutes, you have to concenterate for 95 minutes.
"Huddersfield did a fantastic job and the compliments to them. They played how they always do, but if you lose 3-0, they deserve it."

I'd like to know exactly what he means by 'we were not pressing up top'?

We had Benteke doing what he could alone, but that's against 3/4 defenders. Who else is to blame for not carrying out FdB's instructions on this?
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did we ?
A couple of decent attacking moves but who gives a rats arse when the rest of the performance is like THAT.
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Started both halves ok. But there's a mentality in this club where heads drop as soon as we concede. You just know what whenever we go 1 down that we're never going to get a result.

Which is why I think Ward, Hennessey, Puncheon and possibly Dann need dropping, and the likes of Kelly and Damo to be only used when necessary. Our home form has been a joke for far too long.
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Crystal Palace manager Frank de Boer: "If you analyse the game, it is quite simple. We started well but after 10 minutes the game changed. Tactically, we did not do what we spoke about and paid an expensive price. We were close to making it 2-1 and if we did, I had a feeling we would get a point.
"We were not pressing up top and they were allowed to get crosses too. We did not make the right choices and got punished.
"You cannot go suddenly from one to 10, you have to do it step-by-step. We showed some good football but a game does not last 75 minutes, you have to concenterate for 95 minutes.
"Huddersfield did a fantastic job and the compliments to them. They played how they always do, but if you lose 3-0, they deserve it."
Suggesting we need to go step-by-step is odd when we've already changed our formation and playstyle (from one extreme to the other) and have had only 4 pre-season matches to transition.

The players have been most successful under Pulis+Allardyce+Pardew's first half season when we were predominantly a counter-attacking side. Transitioning to a more possession style is a good idea, but it doesn't work if we don't have the personnel to do it and we try and transition in the space of a few months.

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Hennessey 2 - so, so poor.

Fosu-Mensah 6 - very strong physically.

Riedewald 3 - hopefully just first game nerves.

Ward 4 - An amazing tackle to deny Huddersfield a certain goal. But he was left exposed time and time again.

Dann 3 - Should have scored, very poor positionally.

PVA 2 - Not good enough at set plays. Always moaning.

Luka 2 - Huddersfield ran ring around him. He was terrible.

Puncheon 3 - I'm being kind but how on earth is he captain.

Zaha 5 - Had a few moments where he impressed but could not be described as a world class player on this performance.

Loftus-Cheek 8 - He was sensational. Strong, positive and cultured. Everything that Puncheon and Luka were not.

Benteke 5 - unlucky not to score but how can he score goals with crap service.

Townsend 4 - ineffective.
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I wasn't looking forward to the new season when I heard Puncheon had been made captain obviously hadn't seen him play before was dreadful again today along with Ward the sooner he goes to WBA the better
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I'd like to know exactly what he means by 'we were not pressing up top'?

We had Benteke doing what he could alone, but that's against 3/4 defenders. Who else is to blame for not carrying out FdB's instructions on this?
Playing the system employed today means the players could not afford to f### up or get out of position.

If they do, even lowly Huddersfield will create chances with relative ease.
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I have a horrible feeling that de Boer will turn out to be another Peter Taylor. Great player but very average manager.
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I think we re all on the same page. Unless parish backs the manger before the window, and we get a new keeper, leader at centre back , right wing back, and a reserve striker. We re facing another year of strive.
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Puncheon should be nowhere near the team
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My only hope is that the realisation that the PL is ruthless and very physical may have hit home for FdB. I am not giving up hope that the possession based approach may work, but it needs to be matched with urgency and physicality. In other parts of the continent it is all a bit slower and more technical.
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I also think Wilf a couple of times today went looking for a penalty when he was in a better position to shoot or pass it
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