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Old 17-07-2017, 05:45 PM
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I can relate to that.



we can go round and round with our arguments all day but clearly we need a conclusion here somehow.
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Old 17-07-2017, 05:49 PM
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we can go round and round with our arguments all day but clearly we need a conclusion here somehow.

It's not far off imo.

If Southern put back in the clauses they took out, it'll get voted in.
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Old 17-07-2017, 05:52 PM
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It's not far off imo.

If Southern put back in the clauses they took out, it'll get voted in.
yep... and October 2016 pay award to be increased....

i guess there will be talks before august 1st to stop the strikes...unless they are happening now behind closed doors.
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Old 17-07-2017, 06:04 PM
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yep... and October 2016 pay award to be increased....

i guess there will be talks before august 1st to stop the strikes...unless they are happening now behind closed doors.
Southern were expecting acceptance of this deal.
78.4% voted against it... up from 52%
They will now understand that wont solve this.
I wouldn't be surprised if talks are already underway.
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You've been done up like a kipper there my old son. It's nothing to do with disabled rights. Nothing.
I was talking about the conversation over the previous pages. There were people openly saying that they don't care about anyone but themselves and blaming their attitude on the poor running of the railways.

There are some really wanky people on this thread, from both sides of this argument.
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yep... and October 2016 pay award to be increased....
But I thought it wasn't about money?
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Old 17-07-2017, 06:28 PM
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But I thought it wasn't about money?
i waiting for someone to pick up on that

Original OBS terms need to be included, infact train needs to be cancelled if there is no OBS, FULL STOP!

If that pay award is gonna buy us off the first years pay needs to be higher, as it is clearly at a lower rate than the other 3 years in that deal. Blatantly done to avoid paying more backpay.
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Old 17-07-2017, 06:32 PM
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Old 17-07-2017, 06:35 PM
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Let's just hope you never have an incident requiring ASLEF intervention LE. You might find you wished you hadn't slagged them off so much.

PS I hope you never have an incident.
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Old 17-07-2017, 06:44 PM
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I suffer from OCD myself so I know exactly what I am talking about thank you.
the fact that you have OCD and are happy to use it as a term of disparagement on a BBS posting is a bit scummish really.
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Old 17-07-2017, 06:46 PM
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Let's just hope you never have an incident requiring ASLEF intervention LE. You might find you wished you hadn't slagged them off so much.

PS I hope you never have an incident.
Maybe he rates the way they deal with things like that, but doesn't agree with the way it is dealing with DOO etc.? I don't understand why he is being criticised for voicing an opinion.
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Old 17-07-2017, 06:48 PM
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That's not an answer. Anyone out there have an answer?

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i waiting for someone to pick up on that

Original OBS terms need to be included, infact train needs to be cancelled if there is no OBS, FULL STOP!

If that pay award is gonna buy us off the first years pay needs to be higher, as it is clearly at a lower rate than the other 3 years in that deal. Blatantly done to avoid paying more backpay.
Well yes. They are a business. They will do what makes business sense surely?
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Let's just hope you never have an incident requiring ASLEF intervention LE. You might find you wished you hadn't slagged them off so much.

PS I hope you never have an incident.
I am a member of ASLEF. I would hope ASLEF take constructive criticism on board.
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the fact that you have OCD and are happy to use it as a term of disparagement on a BBS posting is a bit scummish really.
Hardly disparagement. More making an observation.
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Well yes. They are a business. They will do what makes business sense surely?
does assisting in causing misery for their passengers also make business sense?
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It's not just about rush hour trains, it's about not treating disabled differently. This is a test case. What happens on Southern, will happen nationwide.

I'm pretty confident the strikes won't happen.
Southern have 13m extra to play with... that will certainly pay for a guaranteed 2nd person.

No strikes
Disabled access
I agree in principle but when it's stopping thousands getting on in key times, then that's pretty brutal.
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I blame the drivers. If only they went over and above their scheduled hours to effectively run the franchise we'd all be fine.
The drivers who are more than happy to do it?
Last 6 months have been. Let's not pretend drivers don't like the extra cash that comes with doing it.

If it was that much of an issue this should have been an issue for the last 6 months
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I was talking about the conversation over the previous pages. There were people openly saying that they don't care about anyone but themselves and blaming their attitude on the poor running of the railways.

There are some really wanky people on this thread, from both sides of this argument.
Yep, does your last statement include yourself?o
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