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Old 28-09-2016, 07:42 PM
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Old 28-09-2016, 08:24 PM
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Old 28-09-2016, 09:42 PM
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I see Momentum Vice-Chair Jackie Walker's at it again.
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Old 28-09-2016, 10:09 PM
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I see Momentum Vice-Chair Jackie Walker's at it again.
Misquoted. I am sure. Totally.

She surely surely wouldn't say things like that at a workshop expressly set up to address attitudes towards those of a Jewish faith.
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Old 28-09-2016, 10:28 PM
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Misquoted. I am sure. Totally.

She surely surely wouldn't say things like that at a workshop expressly set up to address attitudes towards those of a Jewish faith.
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Well quite. Coming out with such ignorant shite at any time would be bad enough, but turning up to an event explicitly focused on tackling anti-Semitism and engaging Jewish voters to do it?

You have to say, that's pretty special.
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Old 28-09-2016, 10:29 PM
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Oh Christ. Now we're going to have days of this shit again.
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Old 28-09-2016, 10:40 PM
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Oh Christ. Now we're going to have days of this shit again.
But there's no anti-semitism problem among Corbyn supporter so it'all be fine!

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Old 28-09-2016, 11:30 PM
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She's given an explanation of her comments. It was meant to be a training session where people explore the issues, uncomfortable ones sometimes. In the bit we see - presumably what the reporters view as her worst comments - she's asking for clarification on a couple of points. I'd say the catcallers are mean. Quite right to correct her when she wasn't aware that Holocaust Day was already inclusive, but why shout her down for the mistake, goes against the whole idea of these sessions?

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She's given an explanation of her comments. It was meant to be a training session where people explore the issues, uncomfortable ones sometimes. In the bit we see - presumably what the reporters view as her worst comments - she's asking for clarification on a couple of points. I'd say the catcallers are mean. Quite right to correct her when she wasn't aware that Holocaust Day was already inclusive, but why shout her down for the mistake, goes against the whole idea of these sessions?

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How did someone who's spent their life fighting and studying racism miss all that about Holocaust Day? Surely you'd do a bit of research before walking into a meeting on anti-Semitism given the past six months?
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it's so silly how she doesn't see the hypocrisy
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Heb playing the Momentum anti-Semitism card again. Momentum is not the Labour Party and as such is not really Corbyn's responsibility. This thread is about Corbyn himself and he made an important conference speech yesterday that no one on here seemingly wants to debate. Instead we get Heb trawling the internet for crumbs of negative stuff in an effort to reinforce his own narrow mind.
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Heb playing the Momentum anti-Semitism card again.
Eh? So Heb is the villain?

Please tell me you're not turning into a mindless apparatchik as well.
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Heb playing the Momentum anti-Semitism card again. Momentum is not the Labour Party and as such is not really Corbyn's responsibility. This thread is about Corbyn himself and he made an important conference speech yesterday that no one on here seemingly wants to debate. Instead we get Heb trawling the internet for crumbs of negative stuff in an effort to reinforce his own narrow mind.
So you are saying that there is no connection between Corbyn and Momentum?

Inferring there is no connection between Corbyn and Jon Lansman?
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Heb playing the Momentum anti-Semitism card again. Momentum is not the Labour Party and as such is not really Corbyn's responsibility. This thread is about Corbyn himself and he made an important conference speech yesterday that no one on here seemingly wants to debate. Instead we get Heb trawling the internet for crumbs of negative stuff in an effort to reinforce his own narrow mind.
To be fair to Heb you dont have to trawl the Internet very hard when it comes to Jackie Walker. To be fair to Corbyn his speech yesterday on antisemitism was probably one of the strongest he has given. However the rhetoric has to be matched by the actions. Sharing a stage with Walker which both he and McDonell have done in recent weeks undermines the words. Lets be clear there are others in Momentum hierarchy who have similar complaints against them Max Shanley seen on the Despatches programme is the same Max from Oxford that Royall investigated.
EWMG she has set herself up as the self appointed spoke person on this for Momentum her racism is abhorrent. The speech the night before was bad enough thats not been so widely reported, she has appeared on the news expressing her views as well I don't think your point on it being a workshop plays any issue.
Momentum is not the Labour party your right they and Corbyn are though working together its this misjudgement on not tackling the issues inside Momentum that will cause him the issues latter.
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If she took a trip to Yad Vashem she'd learn that it's the official memorial for all victims of the Holocaust. Same at Auschwitz.
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Ok, can you explain how she was being anti Semitic? As we know from the BBS, there is an ongoing debate on what constitutes anti semitism. Some of the people at the meeting favoured a definition that makes anti Zionism automatically anti Semitic. Walker and other Jewish attendees didnt agree. Both sides see themselves as against anti semitism. Now one side says even to have the debate is anti Semitic. That is not the way a Labour Party, especially one that is aiming to become more open and democratic, should operate. No one has to agree with everything Walker says on the issue and she doesn't have to agree with Zionist arguments, but both should be welcome in the party.
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I like the bit where she says Jews shouldn't call the Holocaust the Holocaust


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