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the best ever?

hes coming close if hes not yet there, probably still a wee bit behind maradona but i think he'll be widely regarded as the best in years to come

36 goals in 29 games this season. another hat trick in a 3-0 win last night, not seen the goals but no dout they oozed class

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A couple of weeks ago I happened to watch a bit of Barcelona vs Albacete and was hugely impressed by Messi who came on as a sub for Barca. The 17 year old Argentine came off the bench and scored twice (one disallowed) in the space of just a few minutes, his goal was an expert lob from Ronaldinho's fine pass. Apparently he was brought over by Barcelona at the age of 14 and from what I saw he could finally be the one to justify the much over-used 'next maradona' title. Did anyone else see the match or know anything about him?
Good post, but will he go on to fulfill his true potential ?

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As silly as it is, he'll probably not be considered the best ever unless he wins a World Cup with Argentina - Maradona's '86 WC seals the title as it is.
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I still think, when both are at best, Ronaldo is better. He has more about his game. He can dribble, shoot from distance, take a mean free kick, tackle every now and then and most importantly, head the ball. He also has 48 goals in 50 league games for Madrid.
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As silly as it is, he'll probably not be considered the best ever unless he wins a World Cup with Argentina - Maradona's '86 WC seals the title as it is.

yep that is silly, but your right. most people will judge by that!

lets hope he wins one then! got 2/3 more goes


love watching him. some players have a period of great form where they realise their true potential (rooney) but messis regular form is that high. hes head and shoulders above everyone else, ronaldos the only one that comes close in terms of effectiveness but hes not the player messi is
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I still think, when both are at best, Ronaldo is better. He has more about his game. He can dribble, shoot from distance, take a mean free kick, tackle every now and then and most importantly, head the ball. He also has 48 goals in 50 league games for Madrid.
cant have that. he is a better header of the ball but messi can use his head too.
ronaldo's physical aspects get him through alot of situations, his pure pwoer is amazing. purely from a footballing point of view messi rules.

ronaldo loses his pace i think hed be a good player but not great, messi loses it he'll drop into centre mid and be the best there!
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the best ever?

hes coming close if hes not yet there, probably still a wee bit behind maradona but i think he'll be widely regarded as the best in years to come

36 goals in 29 games this season. another hat trick in a 3-0 win last night, not seen the goals but no dout they oozed class

a joy to watch
Unlike Ronaldo, he hasn't proved it in the Premiership which actually has more than 2 competitive teams and has players that kick the shit out of you (still remember Granville putting Ronaldo into the Arthur Waite in 2005)

La Liga has 2 top quality teams and then has a load of teams with the quality of the Championship.
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Messi is much more subtle than Ronaldo and much more of a team player. Messi's movement and passing make goals for other players and he is the more endearing in that he will enjoy his teammates successes as much as his own.
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Unlike Ronaldo, he hasn't proved it in the Premiership which actually has more than 2 competitive teams and has players that kick the shit out of you (still remember Granville putting Ronaldo into the Arthur Waite in 2005)

La Liga has 2 top quality teams and then has a load of teams with the quality of the Championship.

oh not another premier league is the best league in the world post is it!

agreed on the competitiveness of the leagues but stoke competitive is not really my idea of fun. i long ago stopped thinking that winning is all that matters.

messi has done it against the best so there is no saying he only scores against crap opposition. he scores against technically better opposition. he scores against players still trying to assault him every week (just check the yellow and red card counts in la liga against the prem)

messi is outscoring ronaldo too, as well as providing more assists


you suggesting messi needs to come over here to prove himself? that is incredibly arrogant thinking
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Messi can head the ball but Ronaldo is about a foot taller! Didn't Messi score a great header in the Champions League final against Man U in 2009?
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To be classed as 'the best' in my opinion you need to have all the qualifications, and that includes not being a blatant cheat and then bragging about it, so Messi tops Maradonna by a country mile.
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Messi makes me shiver with excitement every time he has the ball.

I'm not exaggerating, either. No superlative does him justice.
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As silly as it is, he'll probably not be considered the best ever unless he wins a World Cup with Argentina - Maradona's '86 WC seals the title as it is.
As scary as it sounds Messi, Tevez, Aguero, Mascherano, DiMaria, Banega and Garay are going to be four years older and that next World Cup and be much more experienced. If I was a betting man i'd definitely say they should have the best team going in to 2014.
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They had one of the best teams this year, they just had a shite manager.
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oh not another premier league is the best league in the world post is it!

agreed on the competitiveness of the leagues but stoke competitive is not really my idea of fun. i long ago stopped thinking that winning is all that matters.

messi has done it against the best so there is no saying he only scores against crap opposition. he scores against technically better opposition. he scores against players still trying to assault him every week (just check the yellow and red card counts in la liga against the prem)

messi is outscoring ronaldo too, as well as providing more assists


you suggesting messi needs to come over here to prove himself? that is incredibly arrogant thinking
I don't watch the Premiership. Yesterday was the first Match of the Day I watched all season.

But to say because Messi has done it in La Liga means he's the best ever is not true.

He, like Ronaldo cannot be considered the best ever as neither have done anything at International Level yet.

Both have time to put their cases in for best ever though.
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Unlike Ronaldo, he hasn't proved it in the Premiership which actually has more than 2 competitive teams and has players that kick the shit out of you (still remember Granville putting Ronaldo into the Arthur Waite in 2005)

La Liga has 2 top quality teams and then has a load of teams with the quality of the Championship.
This x100000023874289374. Need to do it in a tough league before they are great in my eyes.
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I don't watch the Premiership. Yesterday was the first Match of the Day I watched all season.

But to say because Messi has done it in La Liga means he's the best ever is not true.

He, like Ronaldo cannot be considered the best ever as neither have done anything at International Level yet.

Both have time to put their cases in for best ever though.
ronaldo twice top qualifying scorer for major tournaments and was the best young player at 2006 world cup despite podolski winning it (because of the fact ronaldo winked at the idiotic rooney and england fans affected the voting)

and club football at the top is at a much higher level than years ago given that players come from all over the world to play for the best teams.

id say the champions league is a harder tournament to win than the world cup and probably...no definitely, of a higher standard

why is it that international football is the measure of greatness when barring spain alot of nations wouldnt beat the best club sides anymore
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Messi, the one player I want to see before I die. In my opinion the best player of all time, world cup or no world cup. If Argentina had manager last year they had more than enough quality to win it. But anyway I could watch Messi for hours, everything he does turns to gold
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Because if you're a great player, you'll take a lesser team to glory.

Messi is in a team that is full of Spanish players that won the World Cup 6 months ago.

And is in a league where you get a lot of time on the ball.

I'd like to see him in the Premiership where other players excel.

A player like Nasri would be even better in La Liga than he is in the Prem where he is a contender for Player of the Season.

It's an easier league.
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Because if you're a great player, you'll take a lesser team to glory.

Messi is in a team that is full of Spanish players that won the World Cup 6 months ago.

And is in a league where you get a lot of time on the ball.

I'd like to see him in the Premiership where other players excel.

A player like Nasri would be even better in La Liga than he is in the Prem where he is a contender for Player of the Season.

It's an easier league.

messi should sign for palace?

or is part of the reason he is so great because he plays with these players
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