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palace's midfield isnt good enough. Discuss
Palace are not far away from being a very good side, not only in terms of challenging for the CCC but also maintaining a place in the Premiership.

great keeper, solid defence that carry players like granville.
in attack aj is clearly good and i think macken and torgelle (should have been played more last season) can offer great options and, ultimately, weigh in with goals.

BUT JUST LOOK AT OUR MIDFIELD.

Out wide, one of the main reasons we got promoted last time out was gray and routledges ability to tear teams apart and create chance after chance.... we didnt fully recover after losing gray last season and although mcanuff looked good vs inter, things may well look bleaker in this department now that wayne has gone.
The team desperately needs a bit of flair, and unless we can secure some before the season starts, it may cost us....
i really dont feel happy about our huge reliance upon mcanuff and kolkka to provide goals for aj and co. why sign amoruso before goal providers are sorted out?

To be fair, mcanuff has looked good in pre season, but it is a lot to ask of him now- to really excel; to light up a division in which he has played for a number of years without being anything more than promising or 'good'.
is kolkka the new rubens? A man who will struggle to impose himself in the 1st division? personally, i cant see him shining next season. looking at, and hearing about his career it seems he does nothing more than ok at every club he plays for, and then moves on.


In the centre, our ball winners leggy and aki, may have decent seasons this year (fingers crossed) but they will need replacing if we go up. Both are terrible, terrible passers of the ball. I worry about our playmakers hughesie and watson too. hughes arguabley cant play 46 games a year anymore and Watson needs to start delivering. He was terrible vs Inter, and needs to be far far more consistent.

And where does soares fit in... wide man last season and vs. inter...
But we hear dowie wants to play him more centrally. is he a ball winner or a playmaker? is he a jack of all trades and a master of none? Personally, I dont think dowie is going to give him one of those 2 central midfield positions, and i dont think his contribution is going to be that significant this season.

to conclude, our season and, indeed, our immediate future relies on our midfield(provided aj and dowie stay). our central midfield may do us for this season, but I feel it needs reinforcement, and we desperately need flair outwide. if we dont sign a winger, we may be in trouble.

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Old 28-07-2005, 05:58 PM
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Palace have made no secret about trying to strengthen the midfield and I personally expect them to do so with it likely to be a loan signing. We have a blend of youth in watson and Soares who I believe will flourish this season and in Aki and Mikele is bite, in Hughes we have experience, in Kolka and Jobi we have flair. They are not good enough to survive in the Premiership, we know that from last season, but we are now in the fizzy pop league and I'm not sure I'd swap that lot for too many other clubs midfielders. When we go up then we can stregthen.
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Mcanuff is a very good player. He will be premiership class
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harsh on aki, as a passer hes really not that bad.

mcanuff is easily good enough if hes played on the wide right.
left winger is a position vacant and needs addressing. this has been the case since jules left though.
aki and hughes wont provide many goals or score many but at the moment they are by far our best 2 centre mids.
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Hughes is good but immobile and slow
Aki is half decent but overated
Soares is nothing special yet
Mcanuff I havent seen so cant comment
Watson has never impressed me
Leigertwood is an awfull awfull footballer, never ever a midfield player
Kolkka is decent

If there was a league table based on midfield units alone then I think we'd be mid table, Its not as good as last time in this league when we had wayne and gray
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I agree with the thrust of this thread, and was a bit disappointed to hear that Jason Koumas is now at Cardiff on a year-long loan. He could have been a missing piece for us.
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Palace had comfortably the weakest central midfield in the Premiership last season and the Inter game, regardless of the quality of the opposition, only served to emphasise how poor the team remains in that area. Watson's strength is supposed to be his passing, but last night he gave the ball away more often than he retained it (a shocking state of affairs for a central midfielder). Mikele's strength is impressive and adds something we wouldn't otherwise have but technically he is some way short of most of the players he will face this season. Aki only really thrives when he is asked to try and disrupt opponents with more skill than he has. Hughes brings guile and a bucket heart but does not have the physical attributes of the top central midfielders. If that was his best position, Wimbledon would have played him there in his prime, but they had bona fide central midfielders (Jason Euell, Damien Francis etc) so didn't need to. I thought the above was obvious and, like most people I know, assumed it was the first thing Dowie would address this summer. His failure to do so is alarming.
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I think I agree with every word of that, I do not really expect us to dominate possesion against other decent teams in the division, actually we'll probably be chasing teh ball alot, we arent really capable of playing through the midfield so expect alot of long balls again
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Re: palace's midfield isnt good enough. Discuss
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Palace are ... (yada yada yada) ...BUT JUST LOOK AT OUR MIDFIELD.

Yep. Our midfield is a bit, let us say, creatively challenged.

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Out wide, one of the main reasons we got promoted last time out was gray and routledges ....

Our Wingers have been quality. ... We can hope that Kolkaa and McaNuff keep that tradiotion alive. Are they Gray and Routledge level, probably not, but they're not too shabby either.

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In the centre ....

Ahhh, our center. The weak link of the team. Its an 'ok for the CCC' midfield. Is this something that has to be fixed now? No.

Hopefully, if we get promoted (and stay promoted), the big purchase that CP has to make is for at least 2, A-One, bonafide, creative midfielders. Without them, we'll top the list of 'Who will get demoted first' list. Because we did not have a relegation fire sale, we (and Norwich BTW) are CCC Plus teams. In between the CCC and the EPL. Flawed teams missing a piece to have continued and long term success.

So far, what SJ has done so far is pretty logical. I hold the firm belief that once (and if) we get promoted, SJ will spend what needs to get spent to bring in 2 qualified central attacking midfielders (As an American, I can only hope that one of the two he brings in is Landon Donovan)

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To conclude, our season and, indeed, our immediate future relies on our midfield (provided aj and dowie stay). our central midfield may do us for this season, but I feel it needs reinforcement, and we desperately need flair outwide. if we dont sign a winger, we may be in trouble.

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Not negative, realistic. At issue is whether you feel that CP will do that. My gut says yes.
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I really hope Kolkka is given his chance this year. With him on the left, McAnuff on the right and two holding midfielders in the middle our midfield will be as balanced as it can get with the current crop of players.
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We are one creative midfielder away from being a bloody good side, that is all that we need to improve what we have.
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McAnuff will do wonders this year particularly if he's played on the right. He's only ever played in struggling teams and will revel in a good Palace side.

This is Watsons big season. For me, he really has to perform this year. I feel he'll take a few games to sort his passing game out but he will come good.

I'm not sure about Kolkka. He has the ability to murder Championship full-backs but I'm worried about his consistency and lightweight style of play.

I saw Black has played a couple of pre-season games. Anyone know what position he was used in?
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Gray was hardly a player who ripped other teams apart.

From what I have seen so far McAnuff is better than Routledge, but I haven’t seen enough of him to make a balanced opinion. He did however seem to take great joy from running at Inter's defence which is a major positive for the next season, as he will be attacking opposition who lacks that kind of quality.

Kolkka is much better than Gray, and if he was with us for the promotion season I can guarantee he would have put away some of the incredibly easy opportunities that Julian squandered.

I thought that our midfield in the first XI yesterday was incredibly poor show of talent with the exception of McAnuff.

I am relishing the prospect of a 4 man midfield that would include at some time or another, the following: Kolkka, McAnuff, Hughes, Riihilahti and possibly Dougie, Watson too if he stepped his game up a level.
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Gray was hardly a player who ripped other teams apart.

From what I have seen so far McAnuff is better than Routledge, but I haven’t seen enough of him to make a balanced opinion. He did however seem to take great joy from running at Inter's defence which is a major positive for the next season, as he will be attacking opposition who lacks that kind of quality.

Kolkka is much better than Gray, and if he was with us for the promotion season I can guarantee he would have put away some of the incredibly easy opportunities that Julian squandered.

I thought that our midfield in the first XI yesterday was incredibly poor show of talent with the exception of McAnuff.

I am relishing the prospect of a 4 man midfield that would include at some time or another, the following: Kolkka, McAnuff, Hughes, Riihilahti and possibly Dougie, Watson too if he stepped his game up a level.


Kolkka isnt a patch on gray, thats why gray was an ever present and kolkka hardly figured and routledge is miles better than what ive seen of mcanuff.

Just because people leave palace they dont suddenly turn shit.

If you gave dowie a choice our of gray and routledge or kolkka and mcanuff I would bet he'd choice the former option in an instant
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I didn't like Gray while he was at Palace either, the sheer amount of times that he missed blatant oppertunites to score that presented themselves on his left foot was enough alone.

And yes Kolkka could patch Gray all over and still have spares
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OT, but how old is Landon Donovan now? Very useful player if I recall correctly.
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I didn't like Gray while he was at Palace either, the sheer amount of times that he missed blatant oppertunites to score that presented themselves on his left foot was enough alone.

And yes Kolkka could patch Gray all over and still have spares


I agree. Jules didn't have a particularly outstanding season at Brum last season and Kolkka impressed on more than a few occasions. It mystifies me to this day why Dowie chose to overlook one of the few match winning players we had in our armoury in favour of a rookie played out of position.

If Joonas is given an extended run in the team this season then he has the ability to murder the CCC.

I maintain that we only need one new player for our starting 11 [a creative midfield dynamo] to become a really good team. We have everything else apart from that [Watson is an excellent prospect but we need someone a little more experienced and proven].
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Spoke to SJ last night. He was determined that we should get another central midfielder. But did say that we will not buy for the sake of buying like last season (Kaviedes). I guess they have several targets but nothing imminent.

Didn't Sky Sports News report that Essien's move to Chelsea was 50/50?
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Dowie seems to like leigertwood so he will no doubt play him this season!

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