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Old 13-06-2005, 08:41 AM
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I've actually stopped playing for money until I do a bit more swotting up. I've ordered "The Theory of Poker" by David Sklansky - which should be arriving tomorrow, but I might take a look at the "Super System" one aswell - from your description it sounds like they may suit opposite types of play - good to get two different views maybe!
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Good stuff, and good instincts. Yes, two very different styles. Best game in the world I think, and one that doesn't work without real money. Which makes it very dangerous.

One day I hope to make real money out of it, go and live in Africa by the sea eating fish, playing online, writing mad sci-fi novels.
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Played very tight most of the time, checking even when he hit the flop, but stepped up just when required. Sheer genius.
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For the guys on Pacific. Can you do the same as I read earlier regarding Ladbrookes or William Hill. In regard to depositing a few quid (20 - is this enough to get started?) and buy into a tournament table for 5 e.g. and get my $1000 worth of chips and fight it out.

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For the guys on Pacific. Can you do the same as I read earlier regarding Ladbrookes or William Hill. In regard to depositing a few quid (20 - is this enough to get started?) and buy into a tournament table for 5 e.g. and get my $1000 worth of chips and fight it out.

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I think you're asking: Can I start off with 20 and play low stakes tourneys with that?

Answer is yes. They have a bunch of low stakes tourneys, which lots of people enter. They are all freeezeouts (no buy ins) and everyone starts with the same number of chips.

They have ones for 1 dollar, 5, 10, 15.

Also, low stakes sit'n'go tourneys are good practice. These aren;t scheduled but take place when the seats (1 or two tables) are full.
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I think you're asking: Can I start off with 20 and play low stakes tourneys with that?

Answer is yes. They have a bunch of low stakes tourneys, which lots of people enter. They are all freeezeouts (no buy ins) and everyone starts with the same number of chips.

They have ones for 1 dollar, 5, 10, 15.

Also, low stakes sit'n'go tourneys are good practice. These aren;t scheduled but take place when the seats (1 or two tables) are full.
It's the sit n go tourneys I've been practising in. Reached and surpassed my break even point yesterday evening.

Thanks for the info. Will be signing up for real shortly.

You spoke earlier of knowing what really is a good hand and what isn't. I noticed that 'the professionals' we see on tv like being dealt with a pair, any kind of pair and will generally back this with their dosh. It strikes me, that being dealt a pair, even down in the end game, in fact, perhaps more so, is good enough to make you want to see the flop but generally not good enough to win unles you're bluffing strongly.

So, I know it's all contextual but, let's say you're down to the last three/four and you're dealt a pair of fives. What do you do? Back it and bluff it and hope you get a second stronger pair/prial. Try and see a cheap flop?

I'm just wondering what 'accepted' poker wisdom says about this.
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So, I know it's all contextual but, let's say you're down to the last three/four and you're dealt a pair of fives. What do you do? Back it and bluff it and hope you get a second stronger pair/prial. Try and see a cheap flop?

I'm just wondering what 'accepted' poker wisdom says about this.
Your right, it's all contextual which is why the question can't be answered (not accurately anyway).

It completely depends on what type of players you are playing with, where you are sitting on the table in relation to these players, and maybe a degree of historical knowledge of how they have been playing hands.

Check out this site and read through some of his articles -

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It really has changed my view on how I will be playing poker in the future. I used to just pick any old table and start playing, but I now realise that one of ( if not the ) most important aspect of playing winning poker, is what table you sit at, and at what position on that table.

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I suppose IM(very unproffessional)O, if you were sitting on the left of a loose aggressive player, you might want to see a cheap flop. Whereas, if you were sitting on the right of a tight passive player, you might want to bet and see how the tight passive player reacts to your bet.

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I suppose IM(very unproffessional)O, if you were sitting on the left of a loose aggressive player, you might want to see a cheap flop. Whereas, if you were sitting on the right of a tight passive player, you might want to bet and see how the tight passive player reacts to your bet.

MD - correct me if I am wrong.
Bloody hell. I'm not taking this anywhere near seriously enough.

Thanks for the advice and the link. WIll swot up so I can ask more pertinent questions.
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I used to lose money on holding pairs. I would raie quite heavy to try to burn people off the hand before they caught something. Then at least I could either win the pot right there or be down to one other guy, who I knew had a good chance of holding an ace or king (he had called). But it just gets messy and you get loads of callers, then the flop comes and you only have an 18% chance of making your trips.

So now I usually slow play them. See a cheap flop, then throw them away if you get overcards on the flop. If you make your trips, no one on earth can possibly realise that's what you have, so go softly, encourage a raise and then THEM ALL WAYS UP!!!

Sometimes I will still raise with a pair if I am in late position and no one is raising. But not in early position.

Late on in a tourney I would possibly gamble on them and go all in, but then I bust out late on alot.

But it's damn hard to play.

PS> I'm no expert and am an average player. But this is sort of what Brunson reckons too.

PPS. Online it can be worth flat calling a bet before the flop when you have a middle or low pair. The other oplayer is 'driving' and will often bet the next round regardless of what comes down. If your trips are made, he's screwed. If not, just fold.
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MD - how often do you try and generally set out to win the blinds and then maybe one big bet an hour (ring games)?
It seems that the two most contrasting styles of play can each reep rewards if played correctly. I used to play very tight and almost have total disregard for the blinds, but after reading through the above mentioned site, it seems that a fairly aggressive style of play will get a lot more of the blinds which seem to be thought as a very important way of reducing losses.
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MD - how often do you try and generally set out to win the blinds and then maybe one big bet an hour (ring games)?
It seems that the two most contrasting styles of play can each reep rewards if played correctly. I used to play very tight and almost have total disregard for the blinds, but after reading through the above mentioned site, it seems that a fairly aggressive style of play will get a lot more of the blinds which seem to be thought as a very important way of reducing losses.
Steal steal steal

I am too inconsistent to do very well.

But you need some presence at the table, and you want people to fear your raise, and play cautiously to you. so the ideal i reckon is:

- arrive at table, play very tight, do nothing
- go in heavy when you hit something and buy it before showing
- fold the next hand
- buy blinds when you spot an opportunity. But you can only succeed having made people think you're a tight player who bets on good cards only.
- Go into a big pot with the nuts and show them
- the blinds are now yours for collection. You have a sweet spot of a few minutes to go mad and then as soon as they come round you go tight or leave.

Other night I was buying hand after hand, even on the river. It wasn;t sensible, but I had them scared, and they were folding a big bluff bet on the river. I couldn't believe it. But that was after 2 hours of playing cagey, and only showing good cards. They believed I was on a lucky streak and filled in the aces in their heads.

It's so hard to judge because you get called to the end on one bluff and you might as well leave the table.

The strategy I just described is also high risk
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Played very tight most of the time, checking even when he hit the flop, but stepped up just when required. Sheer genius.
i watched that too. the godfather is a hero!
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Good input as ever. I find I do quite a lot of that, just without any of the forethought. Many hands seem to play themselves naturally to me.

Plus, at this time, because I'm not fully playing by the 'rule book' I think I confuse people! This will obviously not last, which is why I'm still in the paddling pool until I know and have learnt a bit more.

I don't think there's any substitute for table time and experience in this game.
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Anyone been on Party Poker this evening. It's crashed or something. Total bummer - was miles ahead on a sit and go table and all I get is a flippin refund (except that currently my account is showing as empty!!)
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Anyone been on Party Poker this evening. It's crashed or something. Total bummer - was miles ahead on a sit and go table and all I get is a flippin refund (except that currently my account is showing as empty!!)
I've been in about third place on a William Hill tourney before and the other two players crashed out.
I just sat there and collected their blinds while every hand was automatically folded.

Although it has happened to me when I was in second out of four and three of us got kicked off, managed to get back on, but by that time I was out of it.
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That's funny, we say the same about Europeans.

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That's funny, we say the same about Europeans.

I've been playing online for close to 3 years now, made some decent money in that time. Including a trip to the Main Event of the World Series of Poker next month. Look for me in my Palace jersey.
Did you win your seat?
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Old 15-06-2005, 12:43 AM
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Did you win your seat?
Yeah. I am really feeling that I'm up against it, I'm gonna consider making it thru the first day a success. I won an $11 satellite, then a $110 satellite to get the seat.
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