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Don't get this "its not safe" argument at all
If you dont feel comfortable standing, dont. Simples
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New safe standing vid, including argumenst from police, Don Foster and a Sunderland safety officer. To view the link you have to Register or Login

Listening to Don foster, talking about the seat and barrier arrangement and that he has been speaking to the Culture/Sports Minister has given me renewed hope......just in time for our new stadium?
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As with just about everything in this modern world, this issue comes down to money.

No offence to any of us, but it doesn't really matter whether we want to stand up, sit down or hang upside down and watch our football.

The only way this idea can get any real momentum is if the football club chairman want it. For that reason I think CPFC2010 need to be made accutely aware of how important it is to the fans.

If football club chairman think putting safe standing back in will earn them extra revenue, they'll take this idea seriously and be happy to pay for the cost of ripping seats out and adjusting the concrete steps underneath to accomodate narrower standing space. They will also have to consider what they think the risk to themselves is of damages by someone supposedly hurting themselves by watching football standing. No doubt a compromise would also involve extra policing/stewarding costs (at least initially).

If 40+ football clubs in the Premiership and Championship approach the government about this issue because the sport has got boring and they're losing revenue and are deadly serious on doing something about it, then suddenly you'll see some action.

Until then what you've really just got in my view is a potential private members bill in Parliament and a little bit of hope from a culture/sports minister wanting to sound interested/sympathetic and get himself some column inches in the newspaper - and I think we all know how far down the cabinet pecking order the culture minister is in government.

CPFC2010 - please tell us how serious you are about putting safe standing back in to designated sections of the ground?
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Would having a rail in front of each row of seats (I'm thinking of bocks A & B) be breaking any rule? Those blocks have been standing for 15 years, so it's not like it's encouraging standing, just making the existing practice safer.
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Somebody put a question to CPFC2010 regarding safe standing at football and I think CPFC2010 replied saying that they would back a safe standing campaign.
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Backing it and actively seeking it are to me two very different things. Personally, I don't think just backing it would lead to anything changing (but I'd love to be proved wrong).
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Somebody put a question to CPFC2010 regarding safe standing at football and I think CPFC2010 replied saying that they would back a safe standing campaign.
They need to stand up and design our new ground with safe standing, it's easier to build it in, than change it 5yrs down the line, c'mon CPFC2010 you know it makes sense
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Yeah the fans should stay on their backsides and let the people with more than enough on their hands do what they want for them.

If we had done that on June 1st we may not have had a club.
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There is a lot of confusion about what safe standing is. My current understanding of it (for it has changed as supporters have realised we have to move away from anything which resembles a terrace) is what Don Foster has tabled in Parliament - seat and barrier.

It is NOT terracing. And if this is so important for everyone to understand.

Terracing is a filfthy word in politics,and it is the common misconceptions of what safe standing is/will be that has constantly stalled it's development in the past.

Very few people at the moment gets this, which is a huge problem.
Any mention of standing is accompanied in the media, not by pictures of seat and barrier (as exists in some German grounds) but with images of vast old fashioned English terraces.

Until the media start reporting this for what it is, I think any campaign for change is likely to continue to flounder.

However, the fact that Foster is telling ministers in his own party about seat and barrier - which theoretically keeps capacities the same and designates fans individual spaces the same as we have now - gives us more hope than we have ever had, that we have a chance to have whole ends legally standing again.
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But if standing isn't sanctioned again in England, wouldn't it just result in there being areas of the ground that can't be used?
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Thinking back to my old days, wasnt it cheaper to stand?? By that I mean it was more expensive to sit in part of the ground that had seats.

But there again people in the Holmesdale may want to sit in the Holmesdale and not stand. I know the selfish amongst you will not give a toss about them and have them shunted elsewhere to satisfy your selfishness. But I am not surprised.

Having said that I believe in the reintroduction of SSA and come the new stadium hope this will be borne in mind and fruition. I believe it wont happen at Selhurst Park.
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But if standing isn't sanctioned again in England, wouldn't it just result in there being areas of the ground that can't be used?
Not if they consult with the right authorities at the planning stage, It wont be built for 4-5 yrs, they have a chance to champion it in public, then we will see what support "Safe Standing" really has in this country, they are a forward thinking board and IMO SP is the man to show it can work
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Not sure if its been mentioned but When Saturday Comes magazine (WSC) has a whole page article on Safe Standing this month
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Have been in contact with the safe standing guys of the fsf. they have managed to order a section of "rail seats" which they will then be demonstrating to officials at prem and some championship clubs.

I have been told this demo unit will be ready withing three weeks, and will then try and put these chaps in contact with Steve Browett.
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It is NOT terracing. And if this is so important for everyone to understand.

Terracing is a filfthy word in politics,and it is the common misconceptions of what safe standing is/will be that has constantly stalled it's development in the past.

Very few people at the moment gets this, which is a huge problem.
Any mention of standing is accompanied in the media, not by pictures of seat and barrier (as exists in some German grounds) but with images of vast old fashioned English terraces.

Until the media start reporting this for what it is, I think any campaign for change is likely to continue to flounder.

However, the fact that Foster is telling ministers in his own party about seat and barrier - which theoretically keeps capacities the same and designates fans individual spaces the same as we have now - gives us more hope than we have ever had, that we have a chance to have whole ends legally standing again.
In Germany its actually something like 2 standing fans to 1 seat if the different capacities in standing and all seater mode(for europeans and internal games) are anything to go by. Thats still a far cry from the terraces of old though which had 3-4 times more fans packed into the same space as seating.

The barriers directly infront of every row and the fact that tickets still have a clear allocation are really much more important factors than the number of fans in the stand though.

One thing that I think might help the move back towards stands is that construction(and credit) is starting to become prohibitively expensive. Spurs, Everton, Liverpool etc have all had projects for larger all seater stadiums fall though recently and safe standing seems to offer a good alternative allowing for increased capcity with much less expensive redevolpment.
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In Germany its actually something like 2 standing fans to 1 seat if the different capacities in standing and all seater mode(for europeans and internal games) are anything to go by. Thats still a far cry from the terraces of old though which had 3-4 times more fans packed into the same space as seating.

The barriers directly infront of every row and the fact that tickets still have a clear allocation are really much more important factors than the number of fans in the stand though.

One thing that I think might help the move back towards stands is that construction(and credit) is starting to become prohibitively expensive. Spurs, Everton, Liverpool etc have all had projects for larger all seater stadiums fall though recently and safe standing seems to offer a good alternative allowing for increased capcity with much less expensive redevolpment.
Must admit I always though seat and barrier would keep same capacities. Had no idea this model allowed for two people per seat when the seat was "locked" back.

Not sure if this is helpful or not. Of course it is desireable for clubs to get more people into the ground but I always felt the argument for standing areas woould be stronger if it could be demonstrated everyone would still have their own space.

Having said that how anyone can claim these areas would be unsafe - which of course various vocal elements will - is beyond me.
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