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Old 21-01-2014, 07:28 AM
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the main one for me is Harry Collyer he left Palace to go to war I think he might have died in the war.
Cannot see any Harry or Harold Collyer that fits on CWGC. He joimed us in 1906 from Catford Southend so i put his age nearer 30. Has anyone checked 1911 census to verify his age?
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I did and got even more confused..... there is a reference to a date of birth (on wiki mind!) as about 1885 but as you say there's no one near that age on the CWGC. The most likely candidate is 39 when he was killed in 1916. There are certainly a few on the 1911 that could be him within that 10 year age span living in the right areas. We would really need to confirm DoB to prove one way or another, or at least find a report or something that mentions his age? Is there one for the testimonial he had?
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whilst looking I found a few pictures on this website whoever this Palace fan on here some awesome pictures he has.
top one is for when Palace went on a great FA Cup run.

and Below is a funeral procession for Palace Player Charles Woodhouse in 1911 who tragically passed away.

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Palace v Swindon at the Crystal Palace, 16.9.11, D 2-2
Poor condition but who cares? Harry Hanger wins this header with Jimmy Hughes in supoort and Town's England international Harold Fleming near by.


Below - Palace at Fulham, probably 1912-13 - definitely Craven Cottage but can't be sure it's Fulham playing due to kit and no record of a fixture.
Palace players appear to be Harold Collyer (far left) and Joe Bulcock (nearest camera). Palace wore this distinctive v-neck shirt only that season. Can anyone verify any of this

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There are few things that I have found the main being that we have player who won a Gold Medal at the 1912 Stockholm Olympic games.
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was reading this article from the weekend and it has a couple of Palace mentions

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reading that article again it says Archie Needham was at Brighton I take it he went their after we sold him to Glossop in 1909 he played 122 games for Palace.
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Cannot see any Harry or Harold Collyer that fits on CWGC. He joimed us in 1906 from Catford Southend so i put his age nearer 30. Has anyone checked 1911 census to verify his age?

The records are a bit vague. The Club's 'Complete Record' has Harry Collyer listed as being born in 1885. The nearest record that seems to be of him is of a Henry William Collyer, born in 1887 in Bromley and listed in the 1911 Census as a Professional Footballer aged 24 and living in Brockley (Ladywell) with a wife and two sons both less than two years old.

The War Records are hard to pin point. I'm guessing he may have joined the East Surrey Regiment - if so there are two records, one for a Henry Collyer who is listed as deserted and one for a Harry Collyer who died in France - but there are many other possibilities.
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Old 21-01-2014, 11:02 AM
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found another long serving Palace player William Charles Davies played 208 games for us scoring 23 games left to go to war checking Ancestry and CWGC turns out their are a lot of Welsh people called William Davies .
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Old 21-01-2014, 12:13 PM
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I remembered some research I did for Alan for his Palace Echo articles.
In the 1901 census there was no one listed as Harold W Collyer. There were 3 listed as Harold Collyer. The best fit was a 16 year old, born in Tunbridge Wells. Kent.

So that would put his age at 21 when he joined Palace and 30 when he went off to War. There are no matches on CWGC, so he may well have survived the War and being 33 in 1918, retired from football.

When I checked the 1911 census I was only looking for Harold W Collyer and didn't find any so missed Henry William Collyer that CP Satellite mentioned.
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found another long serving Palace player William Charles Davies played 208 games for us scoring 23 games left to go to war checking Ancestry and CWGC turns out their are a lot of Welsh people called William Davies .
There are 172 William Davies, but only 3 William Charles Davies. 1 in the Marines and 2 in the Army. One born in Kent and one born in Abercarn, Mommouthshire.
The Welsh one was age 38 when he died in 1918.

This guy has 2 serial numbers, 85370 - Formerly 70069, Royal Welsh Fusiliers, which means he was in the army before the war, came out and then re-enlisted when war broke out, so probably not ours.
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Think I may have found one Harry Lane

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I have one Harry Lane who was in the East Surrey Regiment killed 18th July 1916.
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I have one Harry Lane who was in the East Surrey Regiment killed 18th July 1916.
Does anyone know of any Palace players in the Gallipoli Campaign and if so are there any buried there. Intending to go to Gallipoli this summer from our apartment in Bulgaria.
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There are few things that I have found the main being that we have player who won a Gold Medal at the 1912 Stockholm Olympic games.
Aha - Henry Charles Littlewort :-)

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the Reverend Hunt has quite a year in 1908.

won the FA Cup with Wolves won a Olympic Medal and was an Oxford Blue, he never earned a single penny from Football did it all for free.
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On a more general footballing note, the picture below is of the Footballers' Battalions Memorial. It is in the village of Longueval, near Delville Wood on the Somme battlefield. Norman Wood, a former Palace player served with the 17th Middlesex very close to here and was killed in action. His body was never found, or identified, and today his name is on the Thiepval Memorial to the Missing of the Somme along with almost 73,000 others....

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Last one from my recent trip. This is the grave of E I J Bell (not to be confused with Donald Bell). I need to do a bit more on him but definitely a former Palace player. The grave is in the town of Albert on the Somme.......

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Edward Inkerman Jordan Bell did play for Palace. He played in 2 games in the United League in 1906-07 v Luton Town h won 7-1 and scored twice Feb 13 1907, and the away game at Leyton drew 1-1 on Feb 18. the following month he joined Southampton. He also played later on for Portsmouth.
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Edward Inkerman Jordan Bell did play for Palace. He played in 2 games in the United League in 1906-07 v Luton Town h won 7-1 and scored twice Feb 13 1907, and the away game at Leyton drew 1-1 on Feb 18. the following month he joined Southampton. He also played later on for Portsmouth.
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he wouldn't have been in the football battalion when he died because it was disbanded on Feb 1918.


You're more likely to get something from the Brigadier General that is buried next to him.


EDIT: just seen the believed to be buried bit at the top of the grave (still they died on the same day)
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he wouldn't have been in the football battalion when he died because it was disbanded on Feb 1918.


You're more likely to get something from the Brigadier General that is buried next to him.


EDIT: just seen the believed to be buried bit at the top of the grave (still they died on the same day)
The answer (well part of it anyway) is supplied by the CWGC entry, "Middlesex Regt, 17th Battalion attached HQ 99th Infantry Brigade. The Brigadier-General was that brigades CO so we assume Brigade HQ taken out during early days of the German Spring Offensive.
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