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Old 26-07-2010, 05:48 PM
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I have just finished viewing the excellent Tudors - series III.

Anyone else a fan?

Any news on when series IV might be out?
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Saw the first series. Not accurate but good fun and plenty of Tudor boobies to gawp at.
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Yes, lots of artistic licence, but not enough to ruin it like so many Hollywood movies.

The main events in the story, actually happened. I'd love to see more of the underbelly of England though, rather than just the royal palaces. I love the politics and the intrigue, all based on increasing your families power in the realm at the risk of getting your head lobbed off.

A question. Was Tomas Cromwell a distant ancestor to Oliver Cromwell in any way?
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Saw the first series. Not accurate but good fun and plenty of Tudor boobies to gawp at.

Joss Stone didn't get her boobies out in Season III.
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Yes, lots of artistic licence, but not enough to ruin it like so many Hollywood movies.

The main events in the story, actually happened. I'd love to see more of the underbelly of England though, rather than just the royal palaces. I love the politics and the intrigue, all based on increasing your families power in the realm at the risk of getting your head lobbed off.

A question. Was Tomas Cromwell a distant ancestor to Oliver Cromwell in any way?

I think, from studying the reformation and Henry VIII at college this year, he was like the great great uncle of Oliver Cromwell.

btw the Tudors was quite a good show, but I swear they cut off series 3 without warning?
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But do read Wolf Hall. It's a truly great book.

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I think, from studying the reformation and Henry VIII at college this year, he was like the great great nephew of Oliver Cromwell.
That would be odd since he was born decades before his great great uncle.
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That would be odd since he was born decades before his great great uncle.

I meant the other way around.

I was close, wiki says "Thomas was Oliver's great-great-great-uncle"
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I meant the other way around.

I was close, wiki says "Thomas was Oliver's great-great-great-uncle"
Wiki's being a bit naughty...

As stated before, Oliver's family were not directly descended from Thomas Cromwell, but from his sister Katherine. This lady married a Morgan Williams, and thus the Cromwell family were not strictly Cromwells at all but, by the normal rules, Williams.


Morgan Williams started life as 'Lifas Morgan ap Williams', this being a traditional Welsh name given using a logical method, making it easy to identify the son of a father. Some names tended to change with each generation, unless a son was given the same name as his father. In this case, he would be known as Fychan or 'the younger.'


It is easy to see how a young Welshman and his family should wish to take advantage of the reputation of Thomas Cromwell, as attitudes to surnames were not the same then as today. The adoption of a the more celebrated name was open: the Williams arms were used by Morgan's descendants and the family continued to be listed as alias Williams for generations up to 1620, as can be seen by Oliver's own marriage contract.


Later, a Royalist kinsman who had considerable trouble gaining acceptance under the name of Cromwell wrote to Oliver complaining that now Oliver was a regicide4 he had made the name so odious it was time for him to change it back to Williams again. The eldest branch of this side of Cromwell's family did adopt the name Williams after the Restoration. Upon the Restoration of the Monarchy, Cromwell was vilified as a regicide and suffered post-mortem decapitation for his crime.
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Very distantly, it appears so.

In the scheme of things most of us are if you go back far enough. Well, that is one theory anyway.
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Not that distant. Oliver was Thomas' great great great grandnephew. He wasn't a Cromwell though, which was the point of the article Maz quoted.
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Waiting for that.

I like Joss Stone, a lot.

I thought that she did suprisingly well as Anne of Cleeves ! At first I thought no way but she carried it off with aplomb !

I didn't see series 3 yet. I was impressed with most of it in the first two though especially the way that it brought a period of history to life that had been killed for me by history teachers obssessed with dates and lists of kings and battles.
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Series III is the one with Joss Stone as Ann of Cleves. Unless the box sets are different here.
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