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Old 23-07-2011, 11:02 AM
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Exactly right

And if it was in a Muslim country, there wouldn't even be a thread about it
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This was a terrible act and Norway which is so often out of the media spotlight has been thrust in it for all the wrong reasons. I know that you, like me, feel for the people of Norway at this time. As such, let's not let certain posters distract the thread with their motives.
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Old 23-07-2011, 11:04 AM
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You think there would not be a thread if someone killed ninety children if it was in Iran?

Seriously?
People are killed in terrorist attacks in Pakistan on a weekly basis - there are no threads for it

Anyway, it's neither here not there. Just spoken to my aunt in Oslo who is bloody shaken - she wants to leave for a bit but cannot fly sadly. Hearing how the community is pulling together is warming though. Terrible reality that nowhere is safe from anyone
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Old 23-07-2011, 11:05 AM
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You think there would not be a thread if someone killed ninety children if it was in Iran?

Seriously?
There might be a thread; but I doubt if it would attract much attention as to the nature and motives of the killer.

19 people were killed by a bomb in Mumbai last week and over 50 injured - was there a thread?
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Old 23-07-2011, 11:07 AM
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Another armed man arrested in Oslo (close to the hotel where injured people from the island are situated).
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There might be a thread; but I doubt if it would attract much attention as to the nature and motives of the killer.

19 people were killed by a bomb in Mumbai last week and over 50 injured - was there a thread?
I'm not getting into this as it isn't the time or the place, but they are totally diffent events. If some lune executes 80 children it is going to hit the news wherever it is. This is a little bit different.
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There might be a thread; but I doubt if it would attract much attention as to the nature and motives of the killer.

19 people were killed by a bomb in Mumbai last week and over 50 injured - was there a thread?
We'd just be told he's a Muslim extremist and move on. When it's a Christian extremist, we have to examine motives and of course not rush to any conclusions
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Old 23-07-2011, 11:11 AM
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I'm not getting into this as it isn't the time or the place, but they are totally diffent events. If some lune executes 80 children it is going to hit the news wherever it is. This is a little bit different.
You're right it's not the place for a debate. But the thread was started when there was a blast before any of what you say transpired. The events Maz highlights and the bombings in Pakistan get very little coverage (and none on here).
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I think we should be concentrating on condemning this Nutter and offering sympathy to the victims rather than getting too bogged down in pettiness ,
This guy like all Madmen/terrorists is just trying to inflame hatred between races, religions and individuals lets not give him that satisfaction.

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You're right it's not the place for a debate. But the thread was started when there was a blast before any of what you say transpired. The events Maz highlights and the bombings in Pakistan get very little coverage (and none on here).
Sadly because they have become all too common place. The events in Norway are far more unusual and therfore inherrently more likely to stimulate discussion. After all the events in Pakistan/Afghanistan are not 'new news' and have been discussed many times already.
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Old 23-07-2011, 11:20 AM
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Though equally he may have been interested in freemasonry as part of a conspiracy to be condemned, rather as a group he wished to belong to. And there are of course plenty if Christian Freemasons.

Just too early to say.

Though I doubt if he does turn out to be a Christian fundamentalist that we'll see people making demands of other Christians/Christian "leaders" in the way demands would have been made of Muslims had it been an Islamic fundamentalist. Some of the press were almost eager to jump on the Islamic angle, which is sad, if unsurprising.

Anyway, my heart goes out to all those affected and all Norwegians. Feel sick watching it on the news
If an extremist group, claiming to be driven by religious motives performs an attack in a place, where their religion, is not the religion of the country. Then I think it perfectly reasonable to expect the leader of that minority religion to publicly condemn the actions!!

Not the case here so not all that sad to be honest. I think your point is trying to find an issue where there simply isn't one.

In addition to this if you think the Arch Bishop of Canterbury would not condemn an attack by a extremist Christian in this country. I think you are incorrect.
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I'm not getting into this as it isn't the time or the place, but they are totally diffent events.
I think it's entirely the time and place to examine our reaction to world events; as they happen.

It would be a darn sight more relevant than condemning a nutter we don't know, and offering sympathy to people we don't know.

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I think we should be concentrating on condemning this Nutter and offering sympathy to the victims rather than getting to bogged down in pettiness ,
Is it petty to examine our prejudices when it comes to new reporting? Completely the opposite I would think.
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Old 23-07-2011, 11:21 AM
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We'd just be told he's a Muslim extremist and move on. When it's a Christian extremist, we have to examine motives and of course not rush to any conclusions
Rubbish!!

I have watched numerous programmes on British television looking into what turns young Brits to extreme Islamic fundamentalist groups.
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If an extremist group, claiming to be driven by religious motives performs an attack in a place, where their religion, is not the religion of the country. Then I think it perfectly reasonable to expect the leader of that minority religion to publicly condemn the actions!!

Not the case here so not all that sad to be honest. I think your point is trying to find an issue where there simply isn't one.

In addition to this if you think the Arch Bishop of Canterbury would not condemn an attack by a extremist Christian in this country. I think you are incorrect.
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I think we should be concentrating on condemning this Nutter and offering sympathy to the victims rather than getting too bogged down in pettiness ,
This guy like all Madmen/terrorists is just trying to inflame hatred between races, religions and individuals lets not give him that satisfaction.
Exactly, lets not turn this into another one of those threads.

RIP those that lost their lives.
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I think it's entirely the time and place to examine our reaction to world events; as they happen.

It would be a darn sight more relevant than condemning a nutter we don't know, and offering sympathy to people we don't know.



Is it petty to examine our prejudices when it comes to new reporting? Completely the opposite I would think.
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The events Maz highlights and the bombings in Pakistan get very little coverage (and none on here).
Bombs are ten-a-penny these days. Booooring.

You seriously can’t see why someone shooting nearly 100 kids dead dressed as a copper on an island in ******* Norway has more interest than the 108th bomb of the week going off in Idontgiveashitistan? And you have the nerve to talk about other people’s hidden agendas? At least they attempt to hide them.
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Exactly right

And if it was in a Muslim country, there wouldn't even be a thread about it
Silly point.

Of course local news is more newsworthy.

And of course terrorism is rarer in Europe than in many Muslim countries.
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Islam doesn't have a leader.
Are there no senior clerics (not sure of the term) in the British muslim community?

I don't think peoples reaction is all that different. To be honest. People are appalled and disagree.

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