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Old 24-04-2012, 10:28 PM
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There plenty of Palace fans from all 5 South London Boroughs and the Crystal Palace borders the lot of them. Its fair to say that the borough of Croydon has no right to claim the club as its own as it s only alienating fans not from there by doing so. Especially those that live in the vicinity of the Palace itself who hear the club being claimed by a place much further away which also does buggar all to help the club in any way whatsoever.
If people want to support a club from Croydon there is one their waiting.
Let Palace be a South London club for all.
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Old 24-04-2012, 10:36 PM
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There plenty of Palace fans from all 5 South London Boroughs and the Crystal Palace borders the lot of them. Its fair to say that the borough of Croydon has no right to claim the club as its own as it s only alienating fans not from there by doing so. Especially those that live in the vicinity of the Palace itself who hear the club being claimed by a place much further away which also does buggar all to help the club in any way whatsoever.
If people want to support a club from Croydon there is one their waiting.
Let Palace be a South London club for all.
Palace is Croydon's club just as it is the club which represents other local areas as well. You seem to actually resent the fact that Croydon people support their local league club. Really quite strange.
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Old 24-04-2012, 10:38 PM
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I think trying to create some sort of South London multipurpose arena would be foolhardy and risk the club being tied to a white elephent. London has many venues which are far better connected in terms of transport links, proximity to central London etc. Wembley stadium and arena, the 02, Earls court & Kensington Olympia, now the Olympic Stadium. Will people really want to travel on local overground rail out into the relative sticks? Millwall actually tried the same thing with the New Den, which was originally run by a private company and intended to be a multipurpose venue. It didn't work out at all nearly bankrupting them and they have a more central location than CPP. The other thing I'd hate to see would be Palace becoming tenants again, you only have to look at Coventry and the Ricoh to see how this can turn out. I think Palace need a purpose built football stadium which they own and which can be increased in size slowly as the club develops. Of course there's room for conference and banqueting type facilities, but the key is the football and increasing our support and revenue.
I agree with your point about those stadiums ^^ but I'm thinking of something different. A 35-45,000 stadium (which non of those are) that can house all sorts of sports, football, rugby, hockey etc. Yes it could hold a concert for a band/singer who could attract 40-50k but it uses could be so much more than that, limitless in fact due to the artificial pitch.

Yes we would be tenants but nothing like Coventry's situation. We would have a long lease, but more importantly the ground/park would be reliant on us as much as us on them.
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Old 24-04-2012, 10:39 PM
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For me, the logical way is to look at getting the GLC/mayor/even goverment involved and sell the idea as a "South London Stadium" that can be used for all sorts of events. This would hopefully get some much needed funding and planning support to really get somewhere, but South London has been completely neglected for years and this would really rejuvenate the whole area and give it some identity.
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Old 24-04-2012, 10:46 PM
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I'm sure it may be the largest single area, but it isnt even close to "most". People are talking of moving seven miles. That's less than from White Hart Lane to the Olympic Stadium. Would you be happy to move seven miles north? Or seven miles east to Chistlehurst (as Bromley is the 2nd single largest area)?
I would hope the club stays at a revamped Selhurst or moves to CPP as I have said. Clearly playing seven miles from Selhurst would be too far. All I'm saying is that the option of moving somewhere within LB Croydon may need.to be considered if those other options don't work out. Let's not forget that the club plays in LB Croydon as it stands anyway, which a few people on here seem to be overlooking-SE postcode or not.
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There plenty of Palace fans from all 5 South London Boroughs and the Crystal Palace borders the lot of them. Its fair to say that the borough of Croydon has no right to claim the club as its own as it s only alienating fans not from there by doing so. Especially those that live in the vicinity of the Palace itself who hear the club being claimed by a place much further away which also does buggar all to help the club in any way whatsoever.
If people want to support a club from Croydon there is one their waiting.
Let Palace be a South London club for all.
Agree with LP. You and a few others need to get off your high-horse about Croydon. Just because it gets a bad press these days doesn't mean it deserves to be treated so badly, and it is a massive stronghold for Palace fans.

I used to be proud of coming from South London but it's got to the point of what is there to be proud about? I'm glad I live in Surrey (even if it is only Waddon) and in all honesty my next move will be further out, much like most Palace fans it would appear.
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I agree with your point about those stadiums ^^ but I'm thinking of something different. A 35-45,000 stadium (which non of those are) that can house all sorts of sports, football, rugby, hockey etc. Yes it could hold a concert for a band/singer who could attract 40-50k but it uses could be so much more than that, limitless in fact due to the artificial pitch.

Yes we would be tenants but nothing like Coventry's situation. We would have a long lease, but more importantly the ground/park would be reliant on us as much as us on them.
I was thinking more of entertainment and exhibition type venues. But London has a huge section of established sports venues as we all know; rugby has Twickenham, football has Wembley, possibly the Olympic stadium and other large Premiership stadiums. Hockey does not require an arena of half that size. What events would realistically be held at this stadium? I find the idea quite a romantic one in principle but I'm afraid it's got white elephant written all over it. .
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I would hope the club stays at a revamped Selhurst or moves to CPP as I have said. Clearly playing seven miles from Selhurst would be too far. All I'm saying is that the option of moving somewhere within LB Croydon may need.to be considered if those other options don't work out. Let's not forget that the club plays in LB Croydon as it stands anyway, which a few people on here seem to be overlooking-SE postcode or not.
The fact that people pick out East Croydon, Purley Way, Cane Hill & Croydon Arena probably proves the fact that there really is nowhere we could realistically move to in the Croydon area as non of these are possible. CPP is the way forward (even if MOST of it's occupants will come from south of the park ).

Alternatively, we stay at Selhurst and rebuild it.
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I was thinking more of entertainment and exhibition type venues. But London has a huge section of established sports venues as we all know; rugby has Twickenham, football has Wembley, possibly the Olympic stadium and other large Premiership stadiums. Hockey does not require an arena of half that size. What events would realistically be held at this stadium? I find the idea quite a romantic one in principle but I'm afraid it's got white elephant written all over it. .
It wouldn't be a white elephant though as we would be there, that's the whole point and is/was what the current CPP stadium lacked.

Due to the artificial pitch it wouldn't have to hold big events, it could be anything, schoolboy cup finals, kids 5-a-side tournaments, hockey, just hiring it out for any event. It could have 7 day a week usage without causing any strife to the locals (they could use it!). The possibilities are endless.
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I reckon sainsburys will want a bigger superstore at Selhurst soon and can plan this with the club to also build a new whitehorse lane stand
Also been under the holmesdale and it is massive, ground floor level looks just like lower holmesdale concourse with all toilets and fittings looking the same, there is the. Stairs going down to a basement level which was at the time pretty much fully underwater. Will dig the photos i took up.
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I reckon sainsburys will want a bigger superstore at Selhurst soon and can plan this with the club to also build a new whitehorse lane stand
Also been under the holmesdale and it is massive, ground floor level looks just like lower holmesdale concourse with all toilets and fittings looking the same, there is the. Stairs going down to a basement level which was at the time pretty much fully underwater. Will dig the photos i took up.
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With the parking/traffic thing at CPP, can't you just introduce residents only parking permits on match-days or meters with a 1 hour limit (for the shops) within a 2 mile radius, then people who drive will have to use public transport in some form anyway...

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People will still drive. All that would happen is that every entrepreneurial local business with spare land or a forecourt will open it up for matchday parking at 5 to 10 per car.
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jesus we're in a hosepipe ban and the holmesdale is sitting on a reservoir.....
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I would hope the club stays at a revamped Selhurst or moves to CPP as I have said. Clearly playing seven miles from Selhurst would be too far. All I'm saying is that the option of moving somewhere within LB Croydon may need.to be considered if those other options don't work out. Let's not forget that the club plays in LB Croydon as it stands anyway, which a few people on here seem to be overlooking-SE postcode or not.
But if we get the move to the Palace, we will be playing in LB Bromley
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For me best would be revamp SP, if not then go to CPP.

However, As a Surreyite I also wouldn't mind a move to Cane Hill or somewhere 'nearer' to Surrey so that Radio Surrey will have to pick up on our news and matches as much as they do for BHA.
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Palace is Croydon's club just as it is the club which represents other local areas as well. You seem to actually resent the fact that Croydon people support their local league club. Really quite strange.
This is spot on!
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