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Old 30-04-2012, 03:52 PM
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Our government seems to be approaching the internet like China, learning lessons from the Soviet book of freedom.

People will find alternatives/ ways around this. Companies will not start making back their perceived losses from piracy (because said losses are made up).
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Old 30-04-2012, 03:54 PM
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Our government seems to be approaching the internet like China, learning lessons from the Soviet book of freedom.
You mean you are demanding the Freedom to Steal?

The Swedish website hosts links to download mostly-pirated free music and video.
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the government could have given the money they spent on this court case to the dying music companies
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Old 30-04-2012, 04:13 PM
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the government could have given the money they spent on this court case to the dying music companies
The government could give all of the money that it uses in law enforcement to the victims of crime, yes.

But that would be a bit dumb, wouldn't it?
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Forgive me, but its theft and illegal, right?
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For theft doesn't there have to be something tangible?

Is there anything tangible about 100100101001111000110001101?
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just shows how unimaginative these industries are, having to lobby their friends in high places to ban things because they have a failing business model.
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For theft doesn't there have to be something tangible?
No.

You can for instance be found guilty of stealing money if you do it online, where it has no tangibility.
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just shows how unimaginative these industries are, having to lobby their friends in high places to ban things because they have a failing business model.
Maybe one of the reasons their business is failing is that people think it's OK to steal from them?

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I really do wish the music industries would just get the slightest bit creative and find a way of making money without charging money. I'm not talking about product placement within songs, I'm just saying free downloads with advertising. Surely if everyone in the country did this then they would make more money then they are now.

Also trying to police the internet is stupidity, there will always be ways round it. In 20 years time I'll probably look back and think how stupid was I to make that comment, but its what I believe at the moment.
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just shows how unimaginative these industries are, having to lobby their friends in high places to ban things because they have a failing business model.
So should we have just let the rioting continue last summer, because making people go to shops in the daytime to buy things was a failing business model? Instead we should have found ways to make money out of the stealing things in the night business model.
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No.

You can for instance be found guilty of stealing money if you do it online, where it has no tangibility.
Not really, the person who is stolen from will be have lost the money. The thief isn't copying and redistributing the numbers online.
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Not really, the person who is stolen from will be have lost the money. The thief isn't copying and redistributing the numbers online.
That's a totally different question. The act of theft is a crime whether or not someone notices the loss or not - in law it is defined by the intent to deprive.

And the sheer nastiness of stealing copyright (whether intellectual or other) is surely not a distant concept to you?
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It's stupid because it's unworkable.
Ah, that's different.

I was merely noting that comparisons to Stalinist Russia are perhaps a bit OTT.
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No.

You can for instance be found guilty of stealing money if you do it online, where it has no tangibility.
Not looked into this too deeply but the first thing that comes up (Googling for online bank theft):

Detectives are questioning them on suspicion of fraud, money laundering and offences under the Computer Misuse Act. Two of those held were also arrested on suspicion of possession of a firearm.

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