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11-09-2012, 10:59 AM
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Will Justice Be Deliverd? Hillsborough Report Issued Tomorrow
Did anyone watch the ITV programme last night?
http://player.stv.tv/programmes/hillsborough/ On the eve of the publication of a report on the 1989 Hillsborough disaster, this landmark documentary casts new light on the events of the terrible day. GUIDANCE:Contains some distressing scenes. Shocking disclosures in the programme and more to come tomorrow with the report...suggests a potential conspiracy between the State and the Sun (News International) to frame Liverpool fans for the deaths of the 96 who only went to watch their team. The Taylor report laid the blame with the Police - but the programme highlighted the involement of the Sun/Coroner/Government More to come tomorrow - expecting some big revelations Last edited by cdm61 : 11-09-2012 at 02:29 PM. 
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#2
11-09-2012, 11:01 AM
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More on this here - http://liverpool.theoffside.com/2012...entaries-jft96
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11-09-2012, 11:03 AM
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Really?
I hope 'the truth' does come out but very much doubt it... that is if there is actually anything of substance left to be revealed
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11-09-2012, 02:27 PM
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo....html?ITO=1490 Families of the 96 Liverpool fans who died at Hillsborough are braced for 'shocking revelations' into what happened on that fateful day in 1989 after a warning from MP Andy Burnham. The Shadow Secretary of State for Health has been instrumental in setting up the independent panel which probed the unseen papers relating to the disaster. Burnham believes the information held within the 400,000 documents released to the panel contains information that will leave senior authority figures with questions to answer. The Labour MP will visit Liverpool on Wednesday to attend a vigil outside the city's St George's Hall after results of the inquiry by the Hillsborough Independent Panel are first revealed. Burnham told The Mirror: 'There will be many individuals with questions to answer on Wednesday into Thursday night. But the truth will have its own power. 'I know enough about Hillsborough to know a national apology from the Prime Minister is justified. I hope Mr Cameron responds in the right way. 'I get the feeling the disclosure will be more shocking than many people realise. The closer we get, I'm confident the full truth will be told. That is an enormous thing.' A hugely controversial 3.15pm cut-off point was introduced at the initial inquest hearings in 1991 by coroner Dr Stefan Popper - which ruled all Liverpool fans had died by this point on the day. At a stroke all questions into the emergency services' response on the day and why there were long lines of ambulances parked up outside the ground as fans died inside remain unanswered.
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12-09-2012, 06:30 AM
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...y-8126215.html
The families of the 96 Liverpool fans who died at Hillsborough may finally learn today the full story of what happened on 15 April, 1989. The Hillsborough Independent Panel's final report will extend to almost 400 pages. Here are six very significant pieces of evidence to look for: 1. Medical records of the 96 victims There is a feeling that the medical records of the 96 may produce some of the most relevant testimony, by demonstrating whether or not the Hillsborough inquest coroner, Stefan Popper, was right to say that nothing could have been done – after his self-imposed 3.15pm "cut-off" – to save any of the lives lost. Popper ruled that all the victims died of "traumatic asphyxiation" – the equivalent to being instantly crushed. Yet there is already eyewitness evidence of at least one of the 96, Kevin Williams, appearing to breathe, even speaking, after 3.15pm. Many of those who were injured recovered, so how could the coroner conclude that those 96 were doomed to die? The medical records may be vital. There will be answers for families who have never known precisely how their loved ones actually died 2. Briefings between senior police officers and Downing Street A BBC Freedom of Information request in March revealed that the Association of Chief Police Officers, including the then Merseyside Chief Constable, the late Sir Kenneth Oxford, wrongly briefed the then Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, that drunk Liverpool fans were to blame. Former Home Secretary Michael Howard said that this informed her thinking. Today may reveal much more about that flawed briefing process, which dictated the way Liverpool fans were viewed 3. The journalistic process which took place leading 'The Sun' to write its 'The Truth' front page We should look for detail on the briefings, if any, which took place between South Yorkshire Police and The Sun, which led to the infamous front page of 19 April, 1989. In this week's Hillsborough documentary, its author Harry Arnold said he was "aghast" to see editor Kelvin MacKenzie personally writing the headline that night. But Arnold offered no explanation of how the story had been generated. "The strongest allegations came from a news agency," Arnold said. Did The Sun speak to anyone in authority for this story? Which is the agency Arnold was talking about? 4. Witness statements from junior South Yorkshire police officers, from the 10 boxes of evidence which former Home Secretary Jack Straw ordered the force to deposit in the House of Lords library This information has been available in the Lords and Commons libraries and Liverpool library but is little known to those who have not followed the case closely. The statements contain annotations, in two distinct handwritings, proving how the junior officers' testimonies were rewritten to create a version of events at Hillsborough which fits with the force's version of what happened. Criticisms of senior officers were removed. Descriptions of Liverpool fans' rowdiness remained. 5. Communication between the emergency services and Sheffield Wednesday No court, tribunal or public inquiry has ever examined what happened after 3.15pm on 15 April, 1989, so this vital section of evidence will prove or disprove the impression that the emergency service response – with police keeping ambulances outside of the ground and only one making it on to the pitch – was wholly inadequate. 6. Redactions How much information – if any – has been withdrawn? Michael Mansfield QC, who has provided free advice to the families, encapsulated this point: "I'm wondering, with 400,000 documents, the extent to which the panel have been able to identify whether they've been given everything. What assurances have they sought? Are there documents they know exist that they have not got? Are they going to let the public and families know everything they've seen?"
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12-09-2012, 07:03 AM
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Hillsborough - police did doctor evidence in bid to avoid blame
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-8126233.html
Exclusive: Hillsborough - police did doctor evidence in bid to avoid blame Evidence of junior officers present at the football disaster was systematically distorted A detailed picture of how the evidence of junior police officers present at the Hillsborough football disaster was systematically distorted can be revealed today, as an independent panel prepares to deliver the findings of its exhaustive investigation into the afternoon that claimed the lives of 96 fans. The Independent has obtained four previously unpublished witness statements written by police constables, who were all on duty at the Leppings Lane end on the disastrous day of Liverpool's FA Cup semi-final with Nottingham Forest in 1989. They show how the documents, originally prepared for an internal inquiry, were altered prior to Lord Taylor's official inquiry later that year to ensure that South Yorkshire Police emerged from the tragedy in a significantly more positive light. The testimony of one constable, 31-year-old Martin McLoughlin, was crossed through so two paragraphs of criticism were entirely deleted. PC McLoughlin, who had nine years' service with the force, described how police had "appeared to be a bit thin on the ground for the numbers of people involved" on the fateful afternoon of 15 April 1989. He also detailed how officers on duty at the stadium had a "poor supply of personal radios" when the catastrophic decision to allow fans to enter the Leppings Lane end through an exit gate led to many being crushed to death inside a stadium, which lacked an up-to-date safety certificate. Pc McLoughlin described how "it seemed very bad that only one in our serial – the sergeant – should have a personal radio. We had great difficulty in finding out what happened and what was happening and for too long a time we were basically working in the dark." All of these criticisms are struck through and an earlier reference to "the only officer with a personal radio" has been rewritten to read "who had a personal radio", making it appear as though the officers were better-equipped. Pc McLoughlin's testimony that he could hear "the voices of more and more officers … getting desperate" over the police radio is replaced simply with the words "increased radio traffic". Another of the phrases deleted from his testimony reads: "Basically it was chaos". A similar picture of institutional failing emerges in the testimony of Pc Alan Wadsworth, in whose report the following words were crossed out: "There was no leadership at the Leppings Lane end following the disaster, either in person or on the radio. The only officer I heard on the radio with any form of organization and method was Chief Superintendent Nesbitt (sic) [a reference to John Nesbit, traffic division commander] who did not arrive until later." An attempt to deliver praise to Liverpool fans appears to have been crossed from the testimony of a fourth officer, David Sumner, who says that "many fans assisted in the removal of the dead and injured from the field". The apparent manipulation of evidence is revealed in documents that were initially written as part of the original South Yorkshire Police investigation into the disaster. Many still showed their annotations when Lord Justice Taylor suddenly demanded them for his 1989 inquiry into tragedy. They were placed in the House of Lords library several years ago when the former Labour Home Secretary, Jack Straw, ordered that South Yorkshire Police disclose them. Deposited in 10 boxes, over the years some have emerged to paint a partial picture of the cover-up, upon which these testimonies shed new light. The Labour MP Andy Burnham, himself from Merseyside, drew attention to several manipulated testimonies in the House of Commons last October. The doctored statements are one example of the volumes of evidence – 40,000 pages in all – which the Independent Panel will have examined since being established in January 2010 on the initiative of Mr Burnham, then the Culture Secretary, to bring "full public disclosure" of all relevant national and local government documentation relating to Hillsborough. The most keenly awaited evidence in the report to be published today is the medical records of the 96 fans who died in the disaster, which may demonstrate that the Hillsborough inquest coroner, Stefan Popper, was wrong to say that nothing could have been done after his self-imposed 3.15pm "cut-off" time to save any of the lives lost. This decision severely limited the scope of the inquests, which delivered an accidental death verdict. There is a growing sense on Merseyside that the "cut-off" time will be shown to be discredited, paving the way for fresh inquests into the deaths. Since no court, tribunal or public inquiry has ever examined what happened after 3.15pm, the emergency service response to the events of the fateful afternoon have gone unchallenged since Lord Justice Taylor's report into the tragedy was published in 1990. A further statement from the boxes reveals how statements were entirely rewritten by officers, allowing none of the criticisms which Lord Justice Taylor directed in his report towards the inexperienced Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield for "failing to take effective control" and making the calamitous decision to open Exit Gate C. One version of the second officer's statement includes the genuine conclusions he reached. "After the incident I felt shocked and upset," he said. "My enduring feelings are anger and guilt. I was less than 20 yards from people struggling for their life and was not aware of their plight. No radio or Tannoy communications were apparent throughout the incident." A handwritten annotated note attached to the report asked the Pc to "remove the last page, excluding last paragraph". Another note states: "rewritten as requested". In a second version of the report, also included in the file, all the original criticisms are absent. What the officers witnessed clearly took its toll on some of them. In 2004, Sheffield Crown Court heard how Pc McLoughlin was so traumatised by the events he witnessed at Hillsborough that he lost his job, marriage and almost his life, when he used skills acquired in the force to make a hoax bomb device and threatened to detonate it at high-security psychiatric unit in Rotherham.
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12-09-2012, 07:05 AM
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Can see point 6 of your post being a major issue. Expect there will be some revelations that come out today but many of the most important questions will still remain.
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12-09-2012, 07:46 AM
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if I may mix italian and russian, the government, police and murdoch media acting as a mafia troika - who would believe such a thing?
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12-09-2012, 08:01 AM
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Would an apology from Cameron actually mean anything??
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12-09-2012, 08:35 AM
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And, this may be unworthy of me, but is anyone else questioning the impartiality of the "independent panel of experts chaired by the Right Reverend James Jones, Bishop of Liverpool" ?
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12-09-2012, 08:36 AM
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12-09-2012, 08:38 AM
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12-09-2012, 08:40 AM
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Would be nice if this led to the complete demise of The Sun and a custodial sentence for Kelvin Mackenzie but I won't hold my breath.......
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12-09-2012, 08:41 AM
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12-09-2012, 08:45 AM
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12-09-2012, 08:47 AM
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Now used as rentamouth on TV and radio, Kelvin MacKenzie is scum and I really hope. at the very least, no one gives this vile individual any airtime ever again.
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12-09-2012, 09:01 AM
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Who fed the Sun the info, that is what I would like to know, that and the briefing to the cabinet... lets not forget that football fans at the time were treated like sh!t.. today is nothing in comparison to the 80s
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12-09-2012, 09:01 AM
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the Telegraph? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...t-says-MP.html Maria Eagle, the shadow transport secretary who represents the Liverpool constituency of Garston and Halewood, said the release today of thousands of documents relating to the Hillsborough disaster could reveal the workings of a police "black propaganda" unit. The MP suggested that such a group could have been set up to smear Liverpool fans after the 1989 disaster in order to shift the blame for the deaths of 96 people at a FA Cup semi-final game at Sheffield's Hillsborough stadium from the emergency services. A coroner's report into their deaths, which concluded that they were accidental, ruled that there were no fatalities after 3.15pm on the day of the tragedy, effectively clearing the police and other services of failing to act swiftly enough to save those who may have perished after the cut off point. David Cameron will today express regret over the disaster in a statement to MPs which he will deliver as thousands of secret documents into the events of April 15 1989 are finally made public. Miss Eagle said that the release would shed a full light on the tragedy for the first time. Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today Programme, she went on: “It has never been looked at, and no documents have ever been seen, and I think that will be one of the most important things that emerges today from this process – what happened after 3.15. "For the families it will be very hard because there may be information about their particularly loved ones and what happened to them, that will be very distressing and difficult, but it also may has implications for the inquest verdict of accidental killing. “And I think the third thing is evidence about the black propaganda unit. I’m convinced of it, I’ve made speeches about it in Parliament going back many years about this. "I hope to see some documents, internal documents from the South Yorkshire police, about the way in which they behaved, particularly the way in which they interacted with certain tabloid newspapers – and why. I think those are the three big things for us to look for, initially, today.” In the days following the tragedy, newspapers were falsely briefed that the crush at Hillsborough were caused by drunken fans, some of whom robbed the bodies of the fallen as they lay dying. Miss Eagle said she hoped that the disclosure would end the need for the families to defend the reputations of their loved ones, adding that she suspected the rumours were deliberately spread by the police to deflect attention from their own failings. She went on: “I think there was effectively an establishment cover-up, and that’s why the campaign in Liverpool and the efforts of the have intensified over the years. "We know who was to blame, but thereafter the police conducted this campaign to muddy the water, to blame the victims. “They did so at the inquest, to the incredible distress of the families, and ever since, whenever Hillsborough has been mentioned, the families feel like the first thing they have to do is defend the dead, defend their relatives and Liverpool fans against this calumny, these lies, these myths – and that is why they have kept going on for all these years. "You talk to them, the first thing they say is ‘I want the reputation of my love one’... many of them were children ... ’I want their reputation cleared’. “And that, I think – I hope – is what we will see revealed in the panel’s report today: that they were not to blame, that the police were to blame. And then we want to see whatever we can see about why that happened.”
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12-09-2012, 09:07 AM
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Think Heysel.
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12-09-2012, 09:12 AM
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Back then it was customary to invade the pitch at the end of the last home game of the season. Try that now and you get a ban.
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