Why bother ?

[Mat ov CPFC]

What is it with you lot and Charlton fans ? Why go to all the trouble of letting them wind you up ?

Talking to a 'new' Charlton fan this week I asked her why Charlton had suddenly developed a dislike of us. She then replied that it was because of Ron Noades ripping them off over the ground share deal. It came as some what of a shock to her when I explained that Uncle Ron aint excatly flavour of the week with us lot either ( and never has been ) and that we still sing charming songs about his Mother and her prefered method of income generation every week. So lay off them.

The fact is that for a club with limited potential they are doing, for the moment, extremely well and we should be patting them on the back. Its good to see that in these days of the football PLC that small clubs like Charlton can still reach the premiership. What makes me so mad is that we, a club with VAST potential, are languishing where we are. That is the question that needs addressing, not a debate about how Charlton fans prefer to eat Hedgehog.

And do I think Charlton can stay up ? No. Perhaps when I read about them being slagged off by other Premiership managers in the same way that Leciester City are/where then will I give them any chance but whilst they are being continually lablelled 'Plucky' then I think they are heading straight back down again. Truth is that to survive with the big boys you need to get nasty and dirty and Charlton seem too set on making friends with other clubs rather than getting stuck into the Premiership prima-donnas.

[Gooders]

It's difficult not to let them wind you up Matov.

The annoying thing is how they've all crawled out of the woodwork in the last year or so - the phrase "where were you when you were ****?" springs to mind.

Coming out with utter b0llocks like "we'll never play you again" is also foolhardy.

If Palace were having the kind of success that Charlton are at the moment, the last thing I would thinking of doing is signing on to other clubs bulletin boards and giving it the large one. With clubs like Palace and Charlton, pride always comes before a fall.

I also get extremely wound up about the "who's the biggest club?" debate. It is no contest.

I did a little test in Milan and Amsterdam recently. Having got on to the subject of football with the locals I was working with, I mentioned that Palace were my team and they immediately knew who I was talking about (even if they had smiles on their faces) - whereas when I asked them if they'd heard of Charlton, all they could come up with was "yes, isn't he that old bloke with a comb-over who played for Man Utd and England?"

[Mat ov CPFC]

Originally posted by Gooders:

I also get extremely wound up about the "who's the biggest club?" debate. It is no contest.

I did a little test in Milan and Amsterdam recently. Having got on to the subject of football with the locals I was working with, I mentioned that Palace were my team and they immediately knew who I was talking about (even if they had smiles on their faces) - whereas when I asked them if they'd heard of Charlton, all they could come up with was "yes, isn't he that old bloke with a comb-over who played for Man Utd and England?"

Have to say that I find the claims of Charlton fans quite amusing. It reminds me of when a small child is given their first pair of long trousers and they strut around pretending to be an adult. Would you let that Child wind you up, would you hurl abuse at them ? No, you would pat them on the head and tell them how grown up they look. Same with Charlton. Let them enjoy their moment.

Originally posted by Mat ov CPFC:
What makes me so mad is that we, a club with VAST potential, are languishing where we are.

Potential counts for nothing Matt. Wolves have massive potential, so have clubs Carlisle and Hull. Doesn't mean that they will ever realise their potential.

Some of you lot are like Millwall fans in a way. Not the throwing spanners way, but having inflated illusions of grandeur about your respective clubs.

Originally posted by Mat ov CPFC:
I asked her why Charlton had suddenly developed a dislike of us.

For me it's a lot more than the time we spent at Selhurst. Charlton supporters have never liked anything to do with Palace - not as long as I can remember anyway. So for you to say that "Charlton had suddenly developed a dislike of us" is wrong, it has always been there. The move to groundshare at Palace and the subsequent attempts to "fleece" Charlton only helped to stoke the flames.
Apart from the fact that your club is local to Charlton (we all like to put one over on the clubs that our friends support - don't we ?) the one thing that puts Palace fans apart from other clubs fans is the inflated ego's they have about their club. It really is laughable. For you Mat ov, to use the terms "limited" & "VAST" in comparisson of our two clubs, proves my point and shows how blinkered your views are, much the same as most of the sad & deluded Palace fans that continue with the "we are sooooooooooo much bigger than Charlton, that it doesn't matter how much better they are than us" (except Anti - who at least admits that it's important to aspire to your better neighbours). I am not saying Charlton have any greater potential than Palace, but I am knowledgeable enough to know that we have a huge advantage in maintaining our current position as THE PREMIER CLUB IN SOUTH LONDON.

If you are a real fan Mat ov and I guess that you are, then I know that it really DOES MATTER - you are not trying to tell me that Palace fans are pleased that they are living in the shadows of their more illustrious neighbours ????

[bucketbongeagle]

should be patting them on the back

blimey and I suppose we should be thanking them for hovering over us like vultures last season, trying to pick off the remainder of our squad for next to nothing. What the hell, while were at it good luck to Millwall this year, really hope they manage to get the promotion they deserve.
and I thought I smoked too much.......

Originally posted by Mat ov CPFC:
Have to say that I find the claims of Charlton fans quite amusing. It reminds me of when a small child is given their first pair of long trousers and they strut around pretending to be an adult. Would you let that Child wind you up, would you hurl abuse at them ? No, you would pat them on the head and tell them how grown up they look. Same with Charlton. Let them enjoy their moment.

Mat ov, I hear that your are going to be a Father yourself soon. Congratulations and I hope everything goes well for you and your spouse.
You will have to learn pretty quickly that you can't lie to your children though. Just imagine you telling little Nigel that he is much bigger that a boy twice his size - he won't thank his Daddy when he comes home with a fat lip and two black eyes will he. You could tell him that his 5p pocket money will buy him more sweets than his friends who have pounds to spend, but again he will lose all his respect for the Father that can not face up to reality.
For your own sake Mat, take a good look in the mirror and wake up to what is really going on around you. You can delude yourself, but is it really fair to cloud the minds of others ???

[Gooders]

Originally posted by Coke Addick:


Some of you lot are like Millwall fans in a way. Not the throwing spanners way, but having inflated illusions of grandeur about your respective clubs.

Whereas Charlton fans, of course, are the epitome of humility.

My sides hurt.

Mat Ov... forgive my prying nature but exactly how old are you ? Did you dad write this message for you, only the manner in which it is written is very adult but the points it lists are very childish. You liken Charlton to a child sporting his first pair of trousers then do you ? Is that the same comparrison to Chelsea, Leeds, Leicester, Newcastle and West Ham ? All these clubs I mention were no bigger, in terms of footballing ability than Charlton 10 years ago. Yet now they all aspire to play in Europe. Note one thing... if as we hope we will, we stay in the top flight, you will live to regret this bold statement.

The topic of this thread is why bother.. the answer is because you wish it were you ! You are jealous and find it difficult that a club that trailed you in size and footballing ability through the late 80's and early 90's is now well and truly light years ahead of your ambition, let alone your current potential. FACT.

Gooders, save the "The annoying thing is how they've all crawled out of the woodwork in the last year or so - the phrase "where were you when you were ****?" springs to mind." it bores me sh!tless.

[Gooders]

Originally posted by SPANISH_SE7:
Is that the same comparrison to Chelsea, Leeds, Leicester, Newcastle and West Ham ? All these clubs I mention were no bigger, in terms of footballing ability than Charlton 10 years ago.

I rest my case.

Spanish - do yourself a favour - go and get laid or something; anything to rid yourself of that huge inferiority complex you have.

Freud would have had a field day!

Originally posted by SPANISH_SE7:
The topic of this thread is why bother.. the answer is because you wish it were you ! You are jealous and find it difficult that a club that trailed you in size and footballing ability through the late 80's and early 90's is now well and truly light years ahead of your ambition, let alone your current potential. FACT.

That just about concludes this thread then.
The perfect conclusion.
NEXT.

Thanks Nº1

[Top Eagle]

Mat Ov started this thread, and from what I have read he did not slag you lot off by calling you names unless you class "plucky" (which was not his words) as a slate.

No.2 like I say you always seem lately that you get annoyed by Palace fans, so why do it to yourself??

Charlton are premiership now but Palace are not minnows, we have been there before remember (i am 26 so I am not talking about decades ago) if you stay up and become successful then larging it will be the order of the day because you will then edge the south london number one spot. Until you are safe up there in your ivory tower it is probably best not to have such a seeming arrogance. As we all know these things have a habit of coming back and slapping you in the face.

Your choice.

[100% Palace]

The only way Charlton will ever be bigger than us is because they have more letters in their name.

[Adrian]

I'm quite amused by this thread because I've never really understood the whole slagging off thing with other clubs - other clubs simply don't matter: only Palace matters. A few points, though:

1. In the "better than" stakes, one club is only better than another if it demonstrably has superior playing staff, management, financial and organizational structure etc. In general, as these things change from year to year, one club is only better than another on a temporary basis. It has it's semi-permanent aspect, I suppose, as it's probable that Man Utd will continue to be "better" than Frimley Green almost indefinitely.......

2. In the "bigger than" stakes, measurement is less specific. Consider Man City in the second division: huge support, reasonable management (their manager turnover wasn't simply down to the calibre of the person concerned) and no administration clouds overhead. But how can a club in such a situation have continued to regard itself as "big"? What con trick was pulled such that even the media - to a man - constantly referred to them as a "big" club?

3. In the "potential" stakes, it's a question of taking what you've got, looking back at what you had - and then forward to what common sense and the evidence around you suggests you could have, and it seems to me that Palace ARE the club with the biggest potential in South London.

I've always had a soft spot for Charlton and used to enjoy my visits to the Valley. The thought always amused me that when Carlisle came to play at Charlton, the entire population of that town (c.73,000) could attend the match (capacity of the old Valley: 75,000). Millwall have normally been regarded as our South London rivals - if we bothered to "regard" them at all.

But Palace's geographical position, our recent (last 30 or so years) achievements and history and, possibly most of all, the success of the Trust, are evidence to me that when we regain ownership of Selhurst Park, any development allowing a capacity of less than 40,000 would be sheer folly.

No, I say the very best of luck to Charlton - including their talented manager - but they'll never reach the heights that - one day - Palace will.

[Top Eagle]

Go back to a thread previously where I stated that No.2 and Spanish were trying to "large it" over us, Spanish then tried to deny this.

Read back this thread and you will see that the over inflated opinions are not on the Palace side but on the Charlton side.

I admit that Charlton do not really mean a lot to me with regard to rivalry, and I think they never really have but hearing you 2 is starting me to hope that you get relegated (which I have already said the opposite before). In really want to see you 2 eat your words.

No.2 you went back to the ground sharing point when is was already pointed out the Noades fleeced you, not Crystal Palace. You must also remember that although you may have got a bum deal, you at least had somewhere to play, it is down to your club for letting Noades dictate his fees etc. The same way as Goldberk did, the only way to deal with Noades is to beat him in to submission (I of course do not mean with violence) as Simon Jordan has, he took Noades by the scruff of the neck and renegociated the contracts on Selhurst with regard to all the revenue earners (such as bookies/food and drink) this means that on Palace match days Palace now gets all revenue generated and he has his monthly rent only.

Palace is not to blame for your clubs management of affairs with Noades so stop crying about it, it has happened and I think your Management (old or new I dont know if they changed) should have been firmer.

It means nothing to me whether you reply with all the usual pony that you have dished out to Mat Ov or Anti, they feel that they have to stand up to comments made by yourselves about our club, you then do not seem to understand why people start chucking the abuse your way.

Do us all a favour take a leaf out of Coke's book, he seems to be a little more grown up and sees calling us "nigels" and "E-girls" a sure fire way to get the "gypo scum" and "pikie" names coming back.

I think now this thread is finished.

Originally posted by Top Eagle:
It means nothing to me whether you reply with all the usual pony that you have dished out to Mat Ov or Anti, they feel that they have to stand up to comments made by yourselves about our club, you then do not seem to understand why people start chucking the abuse your way.

Top Eagle - who was the patronising GROWN UP who started this thread.

Rose tinted glases or what ????
It only starts from our side and you give it back - right

[Eagle of the East]

I also have hoped this season that Charlton would stay up because its always good to see a smaller club do well in the top flight (and by smaller I do include teams like Palace, Bradford, Ipswich, Fulham etc)

But where does this premier arrogance come from?
When Palace were in the top flight I never used to loko down upon 1st division clubs, I still had the utmost respect for them. Some Charlton fans seem to have lost this respect.

Adrian so the answers to your points would be :

1. In the "better than" stakes, one club is only better than another if it demonstrably has superior playing staff, management, financial and organizational structure etc.

I presume you would acknowledge then that ;
-we currently have by far a superior playing side...
-our management team is established and posses a proven track record, two promotions in the last three years...
-financially, aside from the windfall gained by the premier league we currently have a considerable profit margin..
-organization, well for a club who not so long ago did not hadve a home of its' own and owed large sums of money, I would imagine that our current status proves adequately that there is no question as to our organizational capabilities...

2. bigger than, well I agree that your points about Man City, but you hardly trying to tell me you are comparable to them are you ?

3. In the "potential" stakes, it's a question of taking what you've got, looking back at what you had - and then forward to what common sense and the evidence around you suggests you could have, and it seems to me that Palace ARE the club with the biggest potential in South London.

please this is not a joke forum... Palace are rebuilding, until your foundations have been established, I hardly think you're in a position to tell me about your potential. Or are you saying that what Simon says will happen...ooh dear..remember Mark Goldberg ?

back to the drawing board Ado

[Eagle of the East]

Originally posted by SPANISH_SE7:
-our management team is established and posses a proven track record, two promotions in the last three years...

And what happened in the other year eh Spanish?

We have been there too, we were the yoyo team of the nineties.
Charlton are just at the stage Palace were at 5 years ago.

You've got all that to look forward to.