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Old 16-08-2015, 02:37 PM
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Joel Ward

I love him, but he had a crap game today and hasn't been the same since promotion. This isn't a "drop Joel Ward" thread, but (in my opinion) he is making quite a few mistakes.

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Old 16-08-2015, 02:41 PM
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The left back role seems so slowly ruined his confidence, seems to lost nearly all ability to control a football, last season it was just on the ball that suffered but now it seems to affect his defensive game as well, I'm a big Marriappa fan but that's a big call.
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Bad day at the office today , but a nice goal wardy
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Bad day at the office today , but a nice goal wardy
True, was a great finish.
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Personally I just don't think he's good enough against the smaller, more mobile forwards. Doesn't explain his getting beaten to a cross by a midget, but I've long said his lack of agility is his achilles heel - and the better managers/teams know how to exploit that.

In terms of the quality needed to finish higher than last season, Dann and Pape are up to it - Delaney and Ward are not IMO.
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Why didn't he jump to try and head the ball for the 2nd goal? Awful defending
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Personally I just don't think he's good enough against the smaller, more mobile forwards. Doesn't explain his getting beaten to a cross by a midget, but I've long said his lack of agility is his achilles heel - and the better managers/teams know how to exploit that.

In terms of the quality needed to finish higher than last season, Dann and Pape are up to it - Delaney and Ward are not IMO.
He used to excellent against small quick wingers, I remember his owning hazard at the bridge 2 seasons agon, maybe he has built himself up too much?
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I'd drop him for villa. Mariapia should start. Apart from the goal he had a nightmare. Perhaps it will kick him up the arse a bit.
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Could have had another goal too.
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He used to excellent against small quick wingers, I remember his owning hazard at the bridge 2 seasons agon, maybe he has built himself up too much?
I think the first season (and the tactics Pulis employed) played to his strengths. We sat so deep it was very difficult for opponents to find any space behind us, if you watched he would get very tight to the forward and stop them turning - or face them up and show them where he wanted them to go, which he's good at (and it's easier if you have your winger helping out). He's got less support now we're playing further up the pitch and it leaves him exposed - especially against teams like Arsenal that play a quick pass-and-move game.
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He will know this wasn't one of his better games, but we need to put things into perspective. It is early in the season when reactions are not quite as sharp, also this is a Top team who know how to move the ball around cleverly and catch defenders flat footed, but yes for some unknown reason he failed to jump and got caught out.
However, to even suggest he should be dropped is very premature, he is a wholehearted player who will know in games coming up will need to do better, and he will.
More importantly why was Jedinak left out in a game crying out for his midfield craft to stem Arsenal's silky passing and movement, and Bolasie brought in instead when clearly not ready to start.
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Has been poor since pulis left which is odd.

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He used to be undroppable but he simply isn't anymore. IMO, if Ward doesn't improve and soon, he can't continue to be regarded as a sacred cow and should make way for Mariappa or Kelly. I've always felt very secure with Mariappa playing and that his link up play down the flanks with Puncheon was the standout pairing under P*lis.
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I really wouldn't mind seeing Mariappa back in the team. Was pleased he was on the bench today for once
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Would also like to see Mariappa given a shot next week. His pace would be a good match for Sinclair's.

Still think Joel's a good player, just a. not the international some hyped him up as and b. clearly lacking early season fitness more than most.
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