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Old 17-08-2015, 09:52 AM
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Old 17-08-2015, 11:50 AM
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Imo Ward is still the same player he was 2 seasons ago but the team around him has changed. He was used to having 2 DMs helping him out and being able to hit the ball long to a big man up front. Now the team is playing a more passing and ball retention game and that's not him. Whether we have anything better in the squad I don't know.
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Oh, we have turned on Ward as well now have we?
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Old 17-08-2015, 12:55 PM
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Sanchez and Monreal were targetting our right flank all day. Zaha and Bolasie switching flanks all the time is not a bad ploy, but it has it's costs.
Ward just didn't know where to position himself.
Think you also had to factor in Bolasie not being fit enough to help him out though. Yes he made a couple of mistakes but who hasn't. Quite happy to let Pardew pick the best team on the evidence of the weeks training tbh.
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Happens all the time doesn't it. Players know when they have screwed up and make amends for the teammates the following week by having a stormer.

Thats not to say that Ward is undroppable, its a squad game after all, just that there is a time and a place for it, and good managers know when that is and how to do it.
I agree. This was probably one of his worste games yet but I would probably keep him in the side to rebuild his confidence and give him the opportunity to make amends.
He knows that he made mistakes and it was good to see that none of the players pointed the finger at him for making them (during the game anyway).
I'm sure that JW would have held his hands up in the dressing room and accepted reponsibility for the goal/goals.
I would like to think that the players all stick together and that they win or lose as a team.
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He will know this wasn't one of his better games, but we need to put things into perspective. It is early in the season when reactions are not quite as sharp, also this is a Top team who know how to move the ball around cleverly and catch defenders flat footed, but yes for some unknown reason he failed to jump and got caught out.
However, to even suggest he should be dropped is very premature, he is a wholehearted player who will know in games coming up will need to do better, and he will.
More importantly why was Jedinak left out in a game crying out for his midfield craft to stem Arsenal's silky passing and movement, and Bolasie brought in instead when clearly not ready to start.
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Ward was up against Sanchez one of the best players in the Premier League. He's earned his position.
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Old 17-08-2015, 01:17 PM
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Yep, Sanchez is world class. He was making Ward dance yesterday. The big thing was Arsenals second goal though. I haven't watched replays since being at the game but I don't think there's any credibility towards Ward for the final goal. No way he should be getting beat in the air there. He seemed to be on the right side of Sanchez at the time too. People saying he ducked? Makes it 100 times worse if true

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On talksport other day they said it takes players around 5-6 league games to get up to speed ( hopefully city will be out of sight of those Chelsea ***** by then). We shouldn't drop Ward yet but on plus side with the excellent marriappa getting plenty of game time this summer he'll be sharp if called up on.
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It's sad that a lot of people who comment, do so without reading the OP.
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This is a football messageboard so it's not unreasonable for his form to be discussed. Got a lesson from Ashley Young last season and made a seemingly inexplicable error for the second yesterday but that makes him human. A bad day at the office IMO and still one of our best players
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Players have off games and Ward had a few last season where people called on him to be dropped. He is our best RB. Interesting that when Pardew was naming potential England internationals in the current team he left out or forgot Ward (Wilf, Jason, Scott, Connor, McCarthy and loanee Bamford all mentioned). You don't become a bad player overnight.
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This is a football messageboard so it's not unreasonable for his form to be discussed. Got a lesson from Ashley Young last season and made a seemingly inexplicable error for the second yesterday but that makes him human. A bad day at the office IMO and still one of our best players
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I've always said that in a team that's got a more attack-minded, progressive style (rather than the sit deep and counter we've seen in the last couple of years) the likes of Jedi, Ward and Delaney would not be as effective.

I stand by that completely. None of them are suited to the way Pardew wants to play. Our inability to keep a clean sheet will be our biggest problem this season.
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Normally a huge Ward fan, but he had a bad at the office yesterday. I certainly wouldn't go so far as to drop him, but he should know that he's not undroppable.
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He had a shocker and looked bereft of confidence. Did everyone forget his amazing goal though? He just needs to put this game behind him, forget it happened and focus on how to jump in training this week...
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Hes a better LB than he is a RB, had a poor 1st 15mins but did ok against some of the leagues better players
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He has quality, but he really is a confidence player. When his head goes he simply looks like a 'trier', out of his depth but will run himself into the ground for the sake of the team.

As others have mentioned, his best spell in the Prem was when Pulis was in charge, but I think he has missed the cover of two disciplined centre mids.

When Sanchez took the ball off him on the halfway line, that appeared to be a case of a defender who is gradually becoming more confident on the ball, but he took a fraction of a second too long. He will get there under Pardew and he'll become more relaxed and efficient on the ball, but if anyone is looking for reassurance of his ability, just look at his goal and his block against Sanchez.
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