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Old 02-07-2016, 11:49 AM
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I fully agree. Given the general wealth of the immediate surroundings, Purley should be packed full of high end restaurants and shops but Croydon council merely see the south of the borough in terms of the money it brings in and has allowed it to deteriorate into the sorry condition it is now, with Coulsdon also being dragged into this as well. (recent examples in Coulsdon specifically are hitting the local cafes with an extra sunshine tax on the space that some of them utilise for tables outside and getting rid of the hours free parking)

Anything that brings more people into the locale has to be seen as a positive.
Oh, you must be talking about a different development of shops and restaurants then, not a seventeen storey residential eyesore .
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Oh, you must be talking about a different development of shops and restaurants then, not a seventeen storey residential eyesore .
What the residential eyesore might help to do that is bring in more direct footfall traffic through Purley, creating the demand.

One of the encouraging things for me about Coulsdon, which I am far more familiar with, is that the town centre does seem to have had an increase in people walking around over the last few years and there has been a small increase in the sense of it actually being a community again. There are a few nice cafes now and whilst there are still the profusing of charity shops and so on, I do think that perhaps the area could be on the verge of a potential renaissance although that will be despite Croydon council and not because of.

But I do use the word 'potential' with a deliberate unease because it could all fall down again for a variety of reasons, not least of which seems to be Croydon councils almost spiteful attack on the areas to the south of the borough in a variety of small but still unpleasant ways be it the removal of the garden rubbish collection to the removal of the hours free parking allowance in Coulsdon town centre.

And I am convinced that we get disproportionately targeted by the councils traffic wardens down here purely on the grounds that when people get ticketed they not only tend to pay up but also then tend to not stab the wardens to death either but I am also self-aware enough to accept that this my own personal prejudices coming to the fore here.
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What the residential eyesore might help to do that is bring in more direct footfall traffic through Purley, creating the demand.

One of the encouraging things for me about Coulsdon, which I am far more familiar with, is that the town centre does seem to have had an increase in people walking around over the last few years and there has been a small increase in the sense of it actually being a community again. There are a few nice cafes now and whilst there are still the profusing of charity shops and so on, I do think that perhaps the area could be on the verge of a potential renaissance although that will be despite Croydon council and not because of.

But I do use the word 'potential' with a deliberate unease because it could all fall down again for a variety of reasons, not least of which seems to be Croydon councils almost spiteful attack on the areas to the south of the borough in a variety of small but still unpleasant ways be it the removal of the garden rubbish collection to the removal of the hours free parking allowance in Coulsdon town centre.

And I am convinced that we get disproportionately targeted by the councils traffic wardens down here purely on the grounds that when people get ticketed they not only tend to pay up but also then tend to not stab the wardens to death either but I am also self-aware enough to accept that this my own personal prejudices coming to the fore here.
I don't think that is really relevant, as the main factor for the improvements you are talking about in Coulsdon is the bypass, which has allowed Coulsdon to be more padestrian friendly, partly through small developments and improving footways.

I doubt you would want seventeen storey buildings along Coulsdon High Street?
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I doubt you would want seventeen storey buildings along Coulsdon High Street?
The lays outs are so different that it is not comparable BUT I am willing to concede the general point of what you are saying but the reality is that the proposed site is effectively an isolated 'island' that is bounded on all sides by main roads.

I guess I am just generally saddened about what Purley has become and am very much of a mindset that anything that looks to bring more people into the middle of it has to be seen as a potential positive step.

Lets be honest, what the area really needs is the eyesore that is the multi-storey car park and leisure centre being knocked down and replaced with something more much modern and in keeping with the areas potential. That is a big site and a mixed leisure, housing and commercial complex could have the potential to be a massive success. But Croydon seem absolutely incapable of doing anything about that with their only attempts being to just close down the swimming pool.
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I don't think that is really relevant, as the main factor for the improvements you are talking about in Coulsdon is the bypass, which has allowed Coulsdon to be more padestrian friendly, partly through small developments and improving footways.

I doubt you would want seventeen storey buildings along Coulsdon High Street?
I don't understand your fixation about tall buildings. If you live in a town surely tall buildings are the answer to providing more homes. There's many houses in Purley that fit one family in the same footprint and this building would have 220 homes.

People need somewhere decent to live. I'm all for that.
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I don't understand your fixation about tall buildings. If you live in a town surely tall buildings are the answer to providing more homes. There's many houses in Purley that fit one family in the same footprint and this building would have 220 homes.

People need somewhere decent to live. I'm all for that.
You contradict yourself by calling Purley a 'traffic jam', and then say that 220 properties right in the centre (where there are currently none) is a good idea.

As for fixations with tall buildings, I don't have one. I also agree that people need somewhere to decent to live.

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You contradict yourself by calling Purley a 'traffic jam', and then say that 220 properties right in the centre (where there are currently none) is a good idea.

As for fixations with tall buildings, I don't have one. I also agree that people need somewhere to decent to live.

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That's not a contradiction. No one really worries about traffic when it comes to homes verses traffic. Have you ever been to London.

I don't really understand your objection unless you are in the shadow of it.

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That's not a contradiction. No one really worries about traffic when it comes to homes verses traffic. Have you ever been to London.

I don't really understand your objection unless you are in the shadow of it.

As for being a troll, ooh you're a troll too.
everything you write has holes in to argue with. I have better things to do, we'll have to agree to disagree. .

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I don't understand your fixation about tall buildings. If you live in a town surely tall buildings are the answer to providing more homes. There's many houses in Purley that fit one family in the same footprint and this building would have 220 homes.

People need somewhere decent to live. I'm all for that.
The tall building will be totally out of place..over 4 times the height of the current highest building in Purley.

Responsible developments are the answer, not putting things that are out of place in an area that doesn't have the infrastructure to support thousands of new people.

Purley is a decent place to live without hi-rise flats.
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Purley is a decent place to live without hi-rise flats.
The surrounding streets might be decent but the town centre is an absolute disgrace, given the wealth and potential that surrounds it. Bringing more people to live in it can only be a good thing because that could (and I stress the could because it seems plain that Croydon council have zero interest in doing anything to help the south of the borough) stoke up the demand and lead to move private investment.
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The surrounding streets might be decent but the town centre is an absolute disgrace, given the wealth and potential that surrounds it. Bringing more people to live in it can only be a good thing because that could (and I stress the could because it seems plain that Croydon council have zero interest in doing anything to help the south of the borough) stoke up the demand and lead to move private investment.
(paraphrased) 'COULD ONLY be good because it MIGHT stoke up demand...' What sort of argument is that?!

Bringing in people isn't the problem, it's how they're proposing to just dump a thousand new people slap-bang in the centre in one giant eye-sore, and take 5 years of traffic nightmares in order to do it.

There needs to be responsible development that the locals approve of, not doing things in spite of the view of the majority of locals, as this will only remove any remaining community spirit in the area, countering what the Baptist Church 'hope' to achieve.

I don't understand why a few on here can't see that this will have negative impact on the area and what the locals grievances are.
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It is packed with charity shops, closed down stores, plus the fine dining of Wimpy and Starburger. The old Sainsbury's site has been derelict so long that the new Sainsbury's site that replaced it has now been derelict for something like a decade itself.

I've not studied the plans and I'm not saying that it is necessarily the right solution, but 17 stories is shit all in this day and age, and it might just be the trigger / catalyst to get Purely back to it's heyday of bustling quality shops.
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I guess I am just generally saddened about what Purley has become and am very much of a mindset that anything that looks to bring more people into the middle of it has to be seen as a potential positive step.
The past five years has seen a massive increase in peasant scum infiltrating the area.
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